458FS

When the Envoy pilots are presented with detail regarding the new TA, how will the pilot group vote? Management has released information this past week and many pilots think the deal is concessionary. What issues are the most important to the pilot group? The presence of a 12/4 cap, regarding pay, as well as an increase in healthcare cost seem to be the biggest concerns. What do you think are industry standards are at this point?

wiz5422

Has nothing to do with industry standards. Pay me what I am worth and share the profit. It has a lot more to do with trust. Not one pilot trust the company to keep any of their promises. No matter what they say about pay, enhanced flow or new aircraft, it is all up for their interruption.

Plus the concession stand is closed!

458FS

The regional subsidiary Envoy, versus main line American, are two different companies. Let's get that straight. Envoy is a regional feeder that flies for American Airlines and it is the original company of all American Eagle feed. What you're paid is something you vote on and is amendable based on your contract and pilot input. The question is, what are you worth as a regional pilot? That is something each pilot must figure out. The regional airline industry is plagued with concessions and management thinks this is normal.

exwaterski

Wow. I'm starting to think Mason was right all along.

Nevets

Why would you vote in concessions when your parent company is profitable? Why is it up to the employees to take pay cuts in order for the company to let you use machine they need in order to create revenue? What other industry or company ask their employees to make concessions in order for the company to defray the costs of doing business? And in this case the costs has already been realized anyway!

The industry standard is pay raises when the company is profitable.

chignutsak

Hi Jerry! How many screen names do you have?

buddies8

450fs another from Jerry's kids group.

To answer part of your question what would it take, parker Kirby and glass to resign immediately from aag and any affiliations to aag would be a start just to read the new proposal. Because NO is NO. The concession stand is closed forever.

JohnGardner

458FS - you are an eagle FO? What's your background and current status?

PilotJ3

There's no TA yet, there have been no bullets point.

So far looks like Glass is lurking around. So here we go Mr Glass...

There's some people will vote yes, but I don't see it going above 35%. How about you guys stop asking for the same stuff over and over without any incentive to the pilots pass it. As an incentive I'm Not talking about a bonus. I'm talking about immediate pay raises in the 12/4. How about at least 2.5% pay raise every year. Stop violating our contract, No PBS, stop making threats because we know you guys need us more than you try to make us believe.

There's a lot I can say, but I'm going to keep it short. As far I'm concerned, if the company keep demanding the same crap, the outcome will be the same, NOOOOOOOOOO!

The Chow

Here's what you don't get associate from F&S, when you do a job so well that your company becomes a brand that's worth something.

AAG is making record profit and at the helm is a guy who could never pass the background check. You threaten our jobs on one hand and then beg congress to relax the ATP requirements on the other.

So let me ask you, even with your 12/4 and insurance increases, how are you going to address the fact that our top 500 pilots are at the top tier pay? They have all deferred flowing and we have more captains than PSA has pilots.

If you want to shut us down, that's your choice. 70% of us told you last time what you can do with your concessions. Not that you care, I'm sure you're getting paid by the hour. So start up a new airline, offer street captain spots, and all the while Delta has out maneuvered you again.

Delta is busy taking flying back from regionals so they control the customer experience better. You have now taken us to what, 10 regionals?

I have a contract. Come back 2016