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-   -   Don't come to Envoy until lines improve! (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/86033-dont-come-envoy-until-lines-improve.html)

lakehouse 01-19-2015 02:34 PM
Don't come to Envoy until lines improve!
 
Rah may have no cx pay but with these awful lines at envoy you will face equal money loss and same long upgrade.

Ask envoy recruitment at events what's going to be done to fix these awful lines and upgrade time. Till management address that I'd highly advice going elsewhere. I see most lines as 72 hours pay and 13 or less days off with carryover. That's awful with a 7-8 year upgrade. If management doesn't address botH these problems Idk why Anyone would waist their time coming here!!!

ScottyDo 01-19-2015 02:52 PM
Don't come to envoy till lines improve.
 
.....people still apply at Envoy?

Slick111 01-19-2015 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by ScottyDo (Post 1807431)
.....people still apply at Envoy?
Yeah! If I recall correctly, there was a new hire in December. Not a new hire class,..... just a new hire.

prex8390 01-19-2015 04:38 PM
dont go anywhere that offers a signing bonus. end of story.

AdiosMikeFox 01-19-2015 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1807420)
Rah may have no cx pay but with these awful lines at envoy you will face equal money loss and same long upgrade.



Ask envoy recruitment at events what's going to be done to fix these awful lines and upgrade time. Till management address that I'd highly advice going elsewhere. I see most lines as 72 hours pay and 13 or less days off with carryover. That's awful with a 7-8 year upgrade. If management doesn't address botH these problems Idk why Anyone would waist their time coming here!!!

And until you stop telling people to come to envoy your situation will not improve.

No new bodies = bad staffing = bad schedules and no upgrades.

pilotnbr1 01-19-2015 05:31 PM
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1807503)
And until you stop telling people to come to envoy your situation will not improve.

No new bodies = bad staffing = bad schedules and no upgrades.
With line values that low, staffing is not the problem. Staffing is a problem when they can't get enough productivity out of pilots...

eaglefly 01-19-2015 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 1807503)
And until you stop telling people to come to envoy your situation will not improve.

No new bodies = bad staffing = bad schedules and no upgrades.
So you're saying it's better to lead innocent lambs to slaughter if it improves your situation ?

......and some say this profession isn't totally screwed. :cool:

word302 01-19-2015 06:14 PM
Originally Posted by pilotnbr1 (Post 1807529)
With line values that low, staffing is not the problem. Staffing is a problem when they can't get enough productivity out of pilots...
You would think, but it's like this everywhere. I'm convinced scheduling is done by incompetent imbeciles. It must be part of the job description.

lakehouse 01-19-2015 07:23 PM
Guess no one cares about flow through either, 3 new hires today, all erj Dfw.

thump 01-19-2015 08:08 PM
72 hour lines sounds like you are overstaffed relative to your peers. The difference between 72 hours at Envoy vs 85 hours at RAH represents about 500 pilots worth of flying at Envoy. Whoah!


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