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Trans states is going to be the company replacing Envoy in NYC. Basically company is just taking crew out of plane and putting in TS crews so planes are staying in NYC. Also saw a trip in open time mqt-tys. (Tys is express jet maint base)They are gonna make us deliver the aircraft to express jet to give them away How's that for rubbing the salt in the wound. Also been rumblings of Parker turning E175 order(40 Envoy is allegedly getting) into E195s for mainline. He has publicly said 19 ac is not large enough to justify fleet type. So we'll need to get rid of them or order more. With group 1 pay so low with new AA contract he might have decided more is better. With no E175 delivery there is no trigger to increase flow rate any more. So now 76% voted yes for no planes, no increased flow, but pay caps, freezes and increased medical cost. And our union was too stupid to put a clause in there that said. If no E175 show by November 1. New agreement is thrown out and we go retro with pay increase back to jan 1 2015 or this many aircraft get transferred back

 

I'm assuming you work at envoy. You say it's the age of not accepting responsibility for ones actions. So why don't you take responsibility for your own crap contract and stop blaming PSA for this.

How is your new contract doing with attracting new hires? 5 new hires in feb and 3 in jan?


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If AA converts 175 orders to 195s we should all be happy.

 

Whatever??? You only have one eye open. How about if the airplanes stayed at Endeavor, then Delta has to somehow find a way to staff them. Which is what happened. That's a quicker fix to the financial woes facing the regional industry than your suggestion of waiting 18 months. And if you believe that Delta was not going to use Air Wisconsin as a pawn in their regional whipsaw chess game then you don't know Delta. Delta's intention right off the bat was to get Air Wisconsin to fly them cheaply for this looming "rate reset" with a Skywest/ExpressJet. That's why they didn't want to raise Endeavor's pilot compensation. In the end they decided on alucrative bonus structure. Now others carriers are also offering incentives. So in my opinion Air Wisconsin did this industry a favor by telling Delta to take a hike

 

Maybe a little more time on my hands than you. Maybe not. Don't know, don't care.

I've been in this business for a LONG time, ontheramp - likely as long as you have been alive. I am well aware of the history of this industry, the ups and downs, ebbs and flows. Nothing stays the same.

Your "I truly don't give a rat's ass" bravado (although likely true right now) will probably change as you gain time in this industry.

 

Only if you're the pilot hired into that seat.

 

So what were the financial terms that Delta negotiated with AWAC that would undercut the other DCon carriers' rates, because it has always seemed that Air Wisconsin can't get any flying because they are too expensive. Also, AWAC management doesn't do anything that won't add to their coffers. Maybe you have the numbers to show otherwise, since nobody else does (at least, anyone who is willing to share them).

Air Wisconsin turned down the flying because of how Delta handles the DCon carriers, and the penalties for non-performance put too much risk on AWAC's financial stake - their making money - on this deal.

I will reassert what I said before: AWAC flying those RJs would not have put a single PCL pilot already on property on the street. As far as getting new talent at any regional, everybody is in the same boat - what is to say AWAC would not have had issues hiring to staff 20-plus additional aircraft? Can anyone ramp up staffing that quickly?

 

I still maintain that you are choosing to only look at part of the picture. It is true that the financial terms are not available to compare against what other DCI carriers are doing it for, but based on what you said about the performance penalties it sounds to me like there wasn't much extra to work with. Other DCI carriers are making it work with what I'm assuming the same performance penalties, even GoJet which is another privately held company. And while you are probably correct that Air Wisconsin taking 20 CRJ's wouldn't have caused a furlough at Endeavor, not Pinnacle anymore. I think you're being simple minded to believe that it wouldn't have affected their quality of life.

 

If you honestly don't know the background of why we had that crap contract forced down our throats, then I'm no going to dignify that question with a response. You sir, are an idiot.