Bzzt

If AA converts 175 orders to 195s we should all be happy.

gojo

Whatever??? You only have one eye open. How about if the airplanes stayed at Endeavor, then Delta has to somehow find a way to staff them. Which is what happened. That's a quicker fix to the financial woes facing the regional industry than your suggestion of waiting 18 months. And if you believe that Delta was not going to use Air Wisconsin as a pawn in their regional whipsaw chess game then you don't know Delta. Delta's intention right off the bat was to get Air Wisconsin to fly them cheaply for this looming "rate reset" with a Skywest/ExpressJet. That's why they didn't want to raise Endeavor's pilot compensation. In the end they decided on alucrative bonus structure. Now others carriers are also offering incentives. So in my opinion Air Wisconsin did this industry a favor by telling Delta to take a hike

450knotOffice

Maybe a little more time on my hands than you. Maybe not. Don't know, don't care.

I've been in this business for a LONG time, ontheramp - likely as long as you have been alive. I am well aware of the history of this industry, the ups and downs, ebbs and flows. Nothing stays the same.

Your "I truly don't give a rat's ass" bravado (although likely true right now) will probably change as you gain time in this industry.

AdiosMikeFox

Only if you're the pilot hired into that seat.

Flubber

So what were the financial terms that Delta negotiated with AWAC that would undercut the other DCon carriers' rates, because it has always seemed that Air Wisconsin can't get any flying because they are too expensive. Also, AWAC management doesn't do anything that won't add to their coffers. Maybe you have the numbers to show otherwise, since nobody else does (at least, anyone who is willing to share them).

Air Wisconsin turned down the flying because of how Delta handles the DCon carriers, and the penalties for non-performance put too much risk on AWAC's financial stake - their making money - on this deal.

I will reassert what I said before: AWAC flying those RJs would not have put a single PCL pilot already on property on the street. As far as getting new talent at any regional, everybody is in the same boat - what is to say AWAC would not have had issues hiring to staff 20-plus additional aircraft? Can anyone ramp up staffing that quickly?

gojo

I still maintain that you are choosing to only look at part of the picture. It is true that the financial terms are not available to compare against what other DCI carriers are doing it for, but based on what you said about the performance penalties it sounds to me like there wasn't much extra to work with. Other DCI carriers are making it work with what I'm assuming the same performance penalties, even GoJet which is another privately held company. And while you are probably correct that Air Wisconsin taking 20 CRJ's wouldn't have caused a furlough at Endeavor, not Pinnacle anymore. I think you're being simple minded to believe that it wouldn't have affected their quality of life.

sublime259

If you honestly don't know the background of why we had that crap contract forced down our throats, then I'm no going to dignify that question with a response. You sir, are an idiot.

Bzzt

Even if I'm not its better. Being a regional pilot is not a career and more opportunities for a career at a mainline are better for everyone. There is no pilot advantage to more RJs.

Flubber

Never said I was looking at the whole picture. My original comment was in response to how Ail Willy pilots were reacting to the prospect of getting the Delta flying - which for the most part given past track record, was cautious optimism. This is the place that didn't get the Midwest Connect flying (but we had cookie ovens all set to plug in, right?); other flying opportunities; shoot, we can't even get an EFB solution let alone a definitive answer as to how long our current contract with AA/US lasts.

No doubt that QOL would suffer with the loss of 20-some airframes, but again it's not something I alluded to. Also, wasn't Endeavor (which is still the PCL MEC - ALPA didn't change their abbreviation; sorry for not using standard abbreviations) supposed to be an all -900 fleet anyway?

As to my 18-month remark... I just don't see how Delta could play AWAC as the low card in a rate reset. We keep hearing that we are too expensive (also note use of in my first post). 18 months was just an arbitrary number I pulled out my butt. Delta could have had some devious scheme to play that card, but again, I don't think the $$$ (if we knew what the numbers were) really support that. Just my opinion, of which that and four dollars will get you a caffeinated drink at Starbucks.

Paid2fly

Why would you care one way or another? Thought you got out of aviation?