New York Envoy ops to close
 

We had heard rumors about 3 months ago about new york closing September/October timeline Its now official from our company president. From 7 bases and 3300 pilots to 2 bases and 1900 pilots

I don't think new york is going anywhere. I think you guys are vacating New York, but New York is there to stay. Titles a little misleading.

For which regional?

Okay, let's play "what airline does this guy work for"

title change... got it. Is there going to be a furlough?

Well, not yet. It mostly depends on where the e-jets will go. The company is still trying to make up their mind on that. Also, they're not sure which base they'll pull the first 19 CRJs from that are going to brown streak.
No talk of furloughs yet. Just talk of displacements.

Didn't you just vote in a concessionary contract after voting no twice before? How does that differ from PSA who voted in a contract after voting no twice before?

Oh wait, they didn't burn themselves at the stake for your benefit. Gotcha.

You're an idiot. When did I mention anything about their vote?

Somebody gets it.

When Brownstreak voted in concessions, they knew they were doing it at the expense of another pilot group. Eagle tried to hold the line, and PSA undercut them. Wasn't the first time PSA has done this to another pilot group. That's the difference.

Goodluck!.

Exactly. You wanted PSA to basically close the place down, just so you Eagle guys could feel better about yourselves.... that's not how it works. PSA voted down previous offers and were punished when US sent 900s to Mesa. Its unfortunate the situation Envoy has been put into, but its not PSA's fault. It's years and years of poor leadership at Envoy that has led to this entire situation. You got to do whats best for you, not what someone else wants you do. The true bottom feeders out there (Mesa, GoJet, Republic) were out there to try and swoop up the flying should PSA, Envoy, Piedmont not have played ball. It's just business. The whole regional model is broken, but to go around and try to blame PSA for the failures of Envoy is disingenuous.

oh look another thread that goes to talking about PSA

I guess PSA guys throwing stones believed the threats and promises. I never believe either.

Um...I think you misread my post.

Uhhh just because he said brownstreak doesn't mean he was taking a shot at the PSA pilots. No need to rehash the Envoy vs PSA discussion again for the 1000th time.

Sorry to hear the news, I've been displaced multiple times out of my base and sent back to commuting and it sucks. It has been a tough stretch but hopefully brighter days are ahead for the Envoy guys once the 175s show up.

Looks like the company and ALPA are back on the table. Flow and "career to AA" did not brough applicants and NH as they thought.

Smells like some QOL might get better eventually.

Well, that escalated quickly. I think Bric killed a guy.

So what is Mason32 going to do now?


Goodluck!

No matter what happens you guys always start some sort of rumor that "things will get better". The writing is on the wall, it's not getting any better. For your sake quit deluding yourself and get out of there.

Really? Please tell us about the other times when PSA did something "at the expense of another pilot group". Please!

Get this, junior. PSA voted no to concessions in exchange for additional/new shiny jets TWICE previously.

The first time they voted "no", those jets went to Mesa. The second time they voted "no", those jets went to Republic. The third time PSA pilots were offered new/additional aircraft it came with the caveat that if they voted "no" again,...... their little 49 airplane, 450 pilot operation would be shut down. Clearly they, (AND A.L.P.A.!!!) believed it!

Sound familiar? "Vote no and jets go to another carrier", (like, say.... COMPASS!). "Vote no again and jets go to another carrier", (like,..... REPUBLIC!). "Vote no a third time and we'll shrink you to non-existence"?

So again, PLEASE tell us when, (in your mind), PSA pilots took advantage of a situation,......"at the expense of another pilot group". PLEASE!

Signing the TA should have changed the landscape somewhat, for better or worse.
What is your forecast?

Yeah,.... and look who started it,...... again.

And of course, you're conveniently turning a blind eye to the fact that Envoy MEC, ALPA, and PILOTS!! (finally) "believe the threats and promises",....... and voted "yes".

Slick -I think he was referencing the time you screwed over PDT in the jet issue

Rrrrrriiiiiiiggghht!

Because "brownstreak" could be a term of endearment referencing *ANY* pilot group. For example, "brownstreak" could easily be used to reference Delta, JetBrown, or UPS? Emmaright?

and alg too

More bad news, we finally got a little hope then this. Any word on what carrier is going to get the planes? PDT?

Good. It is ironic that they wanted all of the wholly owned carriers on the 12/4 scale to match Endeavor's cost and now Endeavor got a $20k raise over the next four years. "The world has changed and like it or not we need to be competitive with Delta." Sound familiar?

How many new hires has Envoy had over the past couple of months?

rumor mill says up to around 80 whistling **** cans of death might be on property eventually

Yup. That was a real dirtbag maneuver.

There's probably 75 pilots on property right now that were also here during that......out of nearly 1200.

We had the 2 big regionals taking a stand (eagle and Xjet)...in a time where pilots finally have leverage. No more concessions. The other regionals just had to follow suit, and the industry would have to be changing for the better. Republic couldn't even staff it if they wanted to. Mesa could not staff ALL the airplanes they have been getting. PSA, you are what you are. Stop making excuses. I'm sick of hearing them.

"No one can staff" has been proven to be completely false.

Please explain why we had leverage.

Everybody is having staffing issues now. The regionals are just starting to run out of pilots. It will only get worse. Flying will have to be switched back to mainline...as it should. The pendulum has already started to swing. PSA just did what was best for them...not what was best for all of us. Just own it, and stop making excuses.

Team Bill and Gardner led this pilot group to this.

Where are both of them now?

Goodluck!

The regionals offering good opportunity right now ARE NOT having trouble staffing. TSA, PDT, Compass, PSA, even Mesa are filling classes with no problem.

The places that are dead ends at this point are having issues. Eagle, RAH, XJT.

There are no excuses in this post. Only facts.

Also, you didn't explain where our "leverage" came from.....Please enlighten.

True all of them getting most people from other part 121 carriers. But hey pilots are so stupid they believe in promises from those places.

What's the percentage of no part 121 pilots going into those carriers right now?

What we are seeing is a recycle of pilots moving from one place to another.

And damnnnn it's cold outside today. Clearly that's the fault of PSA pilots. I hope they don't come on here and make excuses about why they made it so cold ....at the expense of other pilots.

Let PSA have their circle jerk...they're the only ones who don't believe they did anything wrong. Everyone else in the industry looks down upon them. Now THAT is a crappy way to start out your career.