The parts that matter are "under review by AAG" and " if approved by AAG". Correct me if I am wrong but Endeavor did not talk about theirs beforehand, Delta simply made it happen. AAG has been good over the last three years stringing our Fo's along with this type of info.

I agree it is all smoke in mirrors right now, but I don't see how they could manage to have this place shut down by next year. Hopefully, we will see something here in the next six months that gives some kind of guidance of some light at the end of the tunnel. Seems like we have just been getting strung along for the time being though.

I do know this- Fabregas can't give a retention bonus to a select group of already employeed pilots without giving it to all pilots. He can give a signing bonus to a new hire pilot, but that's the extent of it.

In the next 5 years 1/3 of all US airline pilots will retire. There is going to be winner and loser regional airlines, some are going to survive but many will not. When you are knee deep into a situation, sometimes its hard to see with clarity what's really going on. But from an outsiders point of view, I just don't see how anyone can see it any other way. Envoy is a shrinking airline with a top heavy labor structure. One way or the other the balance is going to be restored. The shareholders demand it.

Really? Where does it say that? They gave us $12.5k and FOs $7.5k just recently. They can give one group less than the other. Why can't they give nothing to one and more to the other?

You're union signed off on it that's why. But if you think your union and Captains are going to sign off on an endeavor style bonus and captains are going to see nothing out of it I highly doubt it.

Do you get off on seeing an airline shutdown and thousands of people lose their jobs? It seems that way.

Your union would have to sign off on it and why would they? They can give all pilots a $20k yearly increase or none and watch their attrition skyrocket.

Well I'm a Captain and would say I would love to see some money too but let's face it, they don't need to retain me; quite the opposite. That being said, I have made out much better than any current FO so far. We definitely have some selfish pricks here, but I know there are plenty like me that would rather see FOs get something rather than all of us get nothing.

It almost seems like he used to work here, ran off somewhere else, and now wants to see this place fail so he feels justified in his choice.

No but I also don't believe in snips, snails, and puppy dog tails either. There is a price to be paid for accepting $20,000 style endeavor bonus's.