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-   -   Envoy FOs to possibly get $20k retention! (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/87271-envoy-fos-possibly-get-20k-retention.html)

tom11011 03-29-2015 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1852258)
Well I'm a Captain and would say I would love to see some money too but let's face it, they don't need to retain me; quite the opposite. That being said, I have made out much better than any current FO so far. We definitely have some selfish pricks here, but I know there are plenty like me that would rather see FOs get something rather than all of us get nothing.
No doubt that is very big of you, even commendable. But you need 51% to agree with your point of view. I'm trying to be realistic that's all.

tom11011 03-29-2015 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1852261)
It almost seems like he used to work here, ran off somewhere else, and now wants to see this place fail so he feels justified in his choice.
I didn't, didn't, and don't.

But see it from the bean counters point of view. Envoy is simply too top heavy in the cost of labor to continue as a going concern. Why else with AAG be doing what they are doing? As attrition from the bottom accelerates, the situation becomes worse.

404yxl 03-29-2015 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1852258)
Well I'm a Captain and would say I would love to see some money too but let's face it, they don't need to retain me; quite the opposite. That being said, I have made out much better than any current FO so far. We definitely have some selfish pricks here, but I know there are plenty like me that would rather see FOs get something rather than all of us get nothing.
Your management has been screwing you every step of the way. You don't allow them to raise pay for FO's only with the leverage you now have.

chrisreedrules 03-29-2015 01:04 PM
I've heard that AAG is looking at purchasing a large amount of 100 to 150 seat aircraft to be flown by mainline in anticipation of its regionals shrinking overall over the next few years. I also know that United is looking at the same thing. They've been looking at the new Bombardier C-Series and an improved E-190.

Da40Pilot 03-29-2015 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1852318)
I've heard that AAG is looking at purchasing a large amount of 100 to 150 seat aircraft to be flown by mainline in anticipation of its regionals shrinking overall over the next few years. I also know that United is looking at the same thing. They've been looking at the new Bombardier C-Series and an improved E-190.
Perfect, that means quicker flows.

Cujo665 03-29-2015 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1852225)
At 1200-1500 total pilots as the goal for envoys low point in 2017, there would be 600-750 CA spots. With 300 of us "lifers" around, that is 300-450 open CA spots. The rest of the seniority list is flowing pretty steady, so longevity will shrink. For example, even with the deferrals returning, it is modestly estimated that all the 824 wil be gone before 2017. The protected pilots are 10 years or less currently, with a big gap in years 5 and 8(no one hired spring 2008-2010)
You also have about 100 of us lifers retiring in the next 4 years.
To carry that further. In theory, with 300 of 1500 not leaving; you have 1200 that will leave. With 300 a year flowing to AA the entire list would be cycled in 4 years.

fisherman 03-29-2015 02:10 PM
Folks, let's not live in a fantasy world here. I truly believe that the company is just stringing us along with these rumors of bonuses, rainbows, and unicorns. They're not willing to put their money where their mouth is. I think they're just making up these rumors in hopes it will retain pilots; why pay to retain when you can retain based simply on rumors?

PilotCrusader 03-29-2015 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by fisherman (Post 1852351)
Folks, let's not live in a fantasy world here. I truly believe that the company is just stringing us along with these rumors of bonuses, rainbows, and unicorns. They're not willing to put their money where their mouth is. I think they're just making up these rumors in hopes it will retain pilots; why pay to retain when you can retain based simply on rumors?
You could be right. You could also be wrong. Your opinion is noted. My point is also opinion. None of us have a crystal ball. For now though, the company has done nothing but blow air. Let's see what happens. I don't believe FOs should stay here if they can find a better deal. I think Endeavor is a better deal for our NY FOs who live in that area as well.

RJ Pilot 03-29-2015 02:42 PM
When are the CRJ's scheduled to go PSA? Whenever that is, you can rest assured that a DISPLACEMENT bid will come.

GoodLuck!

CLT Guy 03-29-2015 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1852371)
When are the CRJ's scheduled to go PSA? Whenever that is, you can rest assured that a DISPLACEMENT bid will come.

GoodLuck!
The first 700 leaves Envoy in May 2015.


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