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Old 05-02-2015 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnGardner

Walk in the shadows? I showed up at a Miami base visit of Sprague's in AA uniform as I was just commuting in.
Sure, good opportunity to rub it in with your AA uniform.


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Old 05-03-2015 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by boiler07
Mauricio? Lol
Yep. That is left field and he is dying to get back on union tit. Disasterous if he does.
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Old 05-03-2015 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
Sure, good opportunity to rub it in with your AA uniform.


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So which is it? I walk in the shadows or don't i? What am I rubbing in? Almost 18 years of stagnation in my industry followed by flow? You're a super cool GV "captain" now, why are you still bitter?
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Old 05-03-2015 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
Who is GF?

I stopped posting on the lounge years ago because of all the short fat guys with a chip on their shoulder.

Of course you had nothing to lose.

If you really cared about your "friends" at Eagle, you would have supported a future for them, rather than being a sacrificial lamb for the "greater good". A lot of good that is doing for your "friends" or the industry today.
Jack? Is that you?
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Old 05-03-2015 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnGardner
So which is it? I walk in the shadows or don't i? What am I rubbing in? Almost 18 years of stagnation in my industry followed by flow? You're a super cool GV "captain" now, why are you still bitter?
Go eat another bacon wrap onion ring.

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Old 05-03-2015 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
Go eat another bacon wrap onion ring.

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I didn't make them but they were delicious. Maybe I will try tonight since I'm sitting in the crash pad on short call not getting called.

I'll enjoy them, and you'll still be a whining, crying, lying, jealous little girl who flies crappy trips in a GV as a "captain" for ungrateful people who mostly treat you like a doorman. If you are really lucky, one day you'll be slinging my gear at AA.
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Old 05-03-2015 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnGardner
I appreciate the cudo and that's sincere. Maybe you could enlighten me as to what you are talking about with the rest.

Thanks yote- appreciate that too.
As a comm rep, you sent out fairly unbiased and well written communiques in a timely manner. That was appreciated and certainly better than the dirtnap kiddo.

After leaving that office, it seemed like you wanted to just "throw-up" all the personal thoughts you so diligently held in during your tenure. It really invalidated a lot. From your Lounge posts, it seemed obvious to me you were a solid no voter, believed that no matter what we should die on the sword, that the company would have to make a deal with us, etc...which is generally fine - we are all entitled to our opinions. However, touting a hard line that has no consequences for you personally definitely is not well received by those who are living with the consequences that have, and will, come.
Rather than just share your opinions, you were aggressive and often engaged people with opposing viewpoints in a very hostile nature.
Yes, I could go to the lounge and dig up specific examples but this what I saw overall, and I am far too lazy to actually put that kind of effort in(EL has
No search function since Gavin ruined it for all of us).
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Old 05-03-2015 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnGardner
Jack? Is that you?
Haha no but you are getting warmer!
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Old 05-03-2015 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
As a comm rep, you sent out fairly unbiased and well written communiques in a timely manner. That was appreciated and certainly better than the dirtnap kiddo.

After leaving that office, it seemed like you wanted to just "throw-up" all the personal thoughts you so diligently held in during your tenure. It really invalidated a lot. From your Lounge posts, it seemed obvious to me you were a solid no voter, believed that no matter what we should die on the sword, that the company would have to make a deal with us, etc...which is generally fine - we are all entitled to our opinions. However, touting a hard line that has no consequences for you personally definitely is not well received by those who are living with the consequences that have, and will, come.
Rather than just share your opinions, you were aggressive and often engaged people with opposing viewpoints in a very hostile nature.
Yes, I could go to the lounge and dig up specific examples but this what I saw overall, and I am far too lazy to actually put that kind of effort in(EL has
No search function since Gavin ruined it for all of us).
Thanks for the reply. No question I engaged people on the lounge and it got hostile at times. way more often than not it was me defending myself against people making false accusations. There were people who behind the scenes in this whole mess were working against the good of the pilots and trying to undermine what we were doing for their own personal agendas. At times that really ****ed me off. So when I see them trying to rewrite history or feeding misinformation to people like Fontes to post on the lounge, yeah I engage them too. Till the day I started basic indoc at AA I wasn't holding my breath about flow and it wouldn't be right to assume I separated myself completely from eagle even after I left. It simply isn't right to say I have and had no skin in this game. It is just an easy way to try to tell me to shut up.

I would say don't assume from the lounge posting that I am a screaming no voter. I see how that conclusion could be reached, but really it has been more about defending against finger pointers. My single vote was no, each time as I personally believed it was wrong for the company to be demanding concessions from us at a time of record profits and that reneging on AMRs promise of aircraft was simply wrong. Having the inside perspective I have had, I am also entirely convinced that nothing we could have done, or did do, changed of would have changed anything the gang of 6 was going to do. Their plan was and is their plan. The pilots are along for the ride.
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Old 05-03-2015 | 09:11 AM
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PC, you do raise an interesting point. On one hand, maybe pilots should be smart enough to consider the source of what they read online. On the other hand, maybe union folks ought to be held to a higher standard, even in what they post from personal accounts.

My two cents is that reps are absolutely entitled to posting their opinions online, especially when everyone knows their handle. Line pilots ought to be responsible for considering the validity of such opinions. I's also say that perhaps while a rep is /in office/ and actually volunteering, public posting ought not be so volatile.

But once that person is done serving or has moved on from the company, who cares? Is posting online substantially different than talking with pilots in a crew room? (Assuming that person isn't using a clandestine handle that no one knows about while they attempt to sway pilot opinion while acting like some sort of oracle... cough cough...)

FFT, I guess.
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