4th post by OP just to bash ENY? Nice.

He's not wrong about many things, but good luck seeking help for that hole he just put in his own foot.

The rest of the "quick upgrade" places are hitting the wall. Parking aircraft due to staffing. Jump ship if you feel like lengthy training delays and being the guy that got hired at the tail end of the quick upgrade rush that wound up with the 4-5 year upgrade. Same for those street-captain types. Already many of them have been flying since the beginning of the year and have less than 100h in the left seat. Yeah, raking in that PIC at the bottom of the list while getting passed up by FO's upgrading.

I think it's ENY's turn next. Bottom of the list here will see the fastest movement when the 175's start showing up. Performance by some of the contractors has been poor enough that it is rumored that some of the flying is going to be shifted back in-house.

Currently we are allegedly overstaffed. This problem is exacerbated because the company has an idiotic policy of making all reserve pilots fly a minimum number of hours every month, so that means they will deliberately withhold flying that could be used for lines in order make the reserves fly. And - they break up the reserve flying in such a manner that it's a DH to a ferry to a DH back to base. Next day a leg to an outstation, a DH back. Every single day a reserve pilot is wasted on a few legs, a single overnight, the reserve list zeros out and when things go wrong there's nobody available to cover the flights. This makes reserve life miserable because of our overseer's draconian reserve rules and inability to have a life due to min days off for virtually everyone. The other issue is that the overstaffing may be caused by the company wishing to avoid furlough, if they furlough it kicks up the flow to 30/month (which they can't honor because AA can't take that many. Go figure, the company making promises they can't keep), and can you imagine the fallout if we furloughed at a time like this? It's difficult enough to get people here, nobody'd touch this place with a ten foot pole. They'd never get those furloughed pilots back because they're all typed and have great training, they'd be snapped up by every other regional out there in a heartbeat. That's a lotta $$$ to throw away. The possible upshot to the overstaffing is that the company may be holding on to everyone to compensate for the expected rapid upward movement once the flow kicks up a notch (30/mo required when the first 175 shows up) so they have a buffer and don't wind up understaffed as people move up.

Circular problem: The company treats everyone like s hit so they want to leave even to airlines with worse prospects and rules, so ENY is losing staffing they need for the future; but ENY possibly needs the staffing overage to cover people expected to leave to AA and other airlines with upcoming expected upgrades and flow, but the policies implemented to deal with the overage are causing people to leave.

TL;DR: Overage needed to cover expected upgrade and flow when the 175's get here. However, company workarounds to deal with overage make life miserable. Light at the end of the tunnel is that the overage may be to cover the expected upward movement upon 175 arrival, so those at the bottom of the list/hired soon will see the fastest upward movement soon. Don't base your decision on the negative Nancy's bi tchi ng about ENY.

 

Ok, first Jerry's sidekick. Not leaving for a lateral move.
Two, all the stuff you said should make someone want to run more then I even said.
Finally, no matter what envoy does they will not attract enough pilots. Most new hires have decided on their own that what is offered at envoy is no worth the treatment we get.

As far as a "negative Nancy" nope, just someone with enough self respect not to let a company treat him like crap. As to many at envoy do.

Think about it, with all the stuff envoy offers new hires, they still can't attract pilots.

 

Legit question here:

Why is Envoy hiring pilots if they are so over staffed? What am I missing here?

 

They can't keep up with attrition. Right now fat(so they say) come end of yr. Very short..

 

Because we are losing more pilots that what we hire. As the flow keep going, we still shrinking gradually. Also if we are "over staffed", means that we can get back some more flying.

Rumor is that AA will acquire some of the RAH175 planes because of their situation, specially in MIA. I think once envoy get the 175 program running, things might change.

 

Real answer: I don't know.

Possibilities:

They need to put a front up that they are hiring. Not hiring opens up a can of worms and negative thought processes among the employees that would likely increase attrition, something they may not want due to the potential reasons I mentioned above.

They are hiring to help cover attrition among FO's. Our FO's have left in droves since things have gone south. FO's with the least time vested leave because they have the least to lose and the most potential gain by going elsewhere. The company needs to prop these numbers up a bit, again, due to the previously mentioned possibilities. It's certainly not done altruistically to move people up on reserve.

Frankly it all hinges on, and points to, expected rapid upward movement in the near future. Otherwise, things are not sustainable the way they are operating now. They cannot carry the overage. The pilots will not stand for the continued abuse and leave as fast as they can. Right now, the only thing keeping people is the possible fart-in-the-wind promise that things are supposed to get moving soon. The company is wasting an absurd amount of money paying 35% of the pilots 75 hours to be on reserve while only giving them 20-30 hours actual flying, paying for those benefits, and not getting a return on the investment. By all rights they should have furloughed, there are too many pilots and there's not enough flying.

Either they're inept and got their MBA's in a Happy Meal, or there's a reason for keeping everyone here. Hopefully it's a good reason, and not just treating everyone like a s s and keeping the staffing up to cover attrition.

 

Okay, But if they're giving away all these planes to PDT and PSA without something to replace them with....
How would they be short then?

 

Only 175 flows next year, not 30 a month. 30 a month is predicated on classes of 60 at AA.

 

You're obviously hinting at something here.

 

I think I mentioned that the company is most likely not going to be able to honor 30/month.

Edit: Said a different way: 30/month is probably BS, they're not going to do it and they know it.

And where does this 175 number come from?