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lakehouse 02-25-2016 09:40 AM

Eagle fly your forgetting flow and attrition. Being fleet neutral is good news.

AnotherEagleGuy 02-25-2016 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Makanakis (Post 2075450)


“Year to date, 68 Envoy pilots have advanced to become American Airlines pilots, Ric added. “For March and April, American is projecting the need for another 60 Envoy flow-through pilots, totaling more than 120 pilots advancing to American in just the first 120 days of 2016.”
More of managements math issues.

cr700 02-25-2016 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2075451)
Eagle fly your forgetting flow and attrition. Being fleet neutral is good news.

Finally, someone on here who gets it. This is one of the calculations that are included in management's upgrade/flow formula.

PilotJ3 02-25-2016 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2075436)
Help schedules ? Are they ADDING aircraft ? Just how can keeping the same number of aircraft as now for longer improve schedules that are already among the worst in the industry from most reports ?

Helping upgrades ? Are they ADDING aircraft ? Just how can keeping the same number of aircraft as now for longer improve the upgrade forecast that has already fallen by the wayside regarding 2016 projections ?

I guess we see two different realities. As for someone "ponying up", all I see are the same bandits periodically riding through town working up a #6 on you in the hope you stay instead of leave. :cool:

Actually since the 700 are staying longer, the 175s are growth.

RyanP 02-25-2016 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2075474)
Actually since the 700 are staying longer, the 175s are growth.

Until next year when it's not.

Hmm, losing 120 CA in next few months, adding only 50 replacements..... lost 68 CA's to AA + all other CA's that left to other carriers last few months.. added nowhere near that many replacements for those months either..

More Ric math.

Aviatrx 02-25-2016 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2075436)
Help schedules ? Are they ADDING aircraft ? Just how can keeping the same number of aircraft as now for longer improve schedules that are already among the worst in the industry from most reports ?

Helping upgrades ? Are they ADDING aircraft ? Just how can keeping the same number of aircraft as now for longer improve the upgrade forecast that has already fallen by the wayside regarding 2016 projections ?

I guess we see two different realities. As for someone "ponying up", all I see are the same bandits periodically riding through town working up a #6 on you in the hope you stay instead of leave. :cool:

While people attrit to AA and other jobs being fleet neutral to growing should result in slightly better schedules in the form of movement for most. Don't get me wrong, the lack of mid day flying still results in inefficient schedules. With the CRJ's staying there is slight growth. So yes, we are ADDING aircraft! Envoy has a long way to go to make promises right, but it's okay to applaud a good thing when it happens.

N927EV 02-25-2016 11:28 AM

With the announcement of us keeping the 700s for the remainder of the year, we "grow" to 146 airframes then settle in around 144 through December 2016. What 2017 holds? Who knows. They probably don't even know. It sure beats shrinking to 110-115 like we were originally slated to do.

AdiosMikeFox 02-25-2016 11:36 AM

New Envoy Information
 

Quote:
“Year to date, 68 Envoy pilots have advanced to become American Airlines pilots, Ric added. “For March and April, American is projecting the need for another 60 Envoy flow-through pilots, totaling more than 120 pilots advancing to American in just the first 120 days of 2016.”
More of managements math issues.
They've already been selected, so they'll get in before the door closes in May. No clue how they're going handle the next step. Keep selecting pilots and put them in a pool? Stop selecting pilots until they find out how many are returning to AA, then select into a pool? No idea.

Update-just logged in to the site and looked. They'll select a few more if they make their mark of 60 more before May.

highflyer1980 02-25-2016 11:43 AM

Yawn. Let me know when management stops violating our contract. Otherwise I really don't care if they even replace all our CRJs and E145s with E175s. It's still a slap in the face and I would not send any buddies over here.

DaCowboys 02-25-2016 12:12 PM

Just a nicely timed email. Attrition really picked up in Feb. Hope guys made it to greener pastures!


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