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What ole Smutter fails to mention from that email, is that AA has shown willingness to improve schedules..part of which has been a complete flush of the people who were in charge of schedules and replacing them with new ones.

The MEC is extremely positive at this point of massive schedule improvements starting in November. Furthermore, AA has stated they will put as many Envoy turns during the middle of the day as they can as part of this effort.

But go ahead and spin as much negativity as you can lie about. It's much harder to talk crap about Envoy these days..but a cornered animal will resort to anything.

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Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 2205458)

I didn't spin crap. I stated what the current conditions are, all you are pointing out is what could possibly happen in the future. The part you left out is, the earliest these changes could happen are end of the yr. to beginning of 2017. So no nothing is left out. Plus that part is right above my post. You know, that's why I said to sum it up.

Now get back under Ric's desk he has some facial cream for you.

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Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 2205458)

They did not say they would add as much mid day flying as they can. They said they would add one mid day flight to each envoy city we over night in.

^Anybody even remotely considering listening to anything this person has to say..pay close attention to how he speaks and the language he uses. That says it all.

So back to current facts.

1. All seat and aircraft
- avg days off =12.07-13.61

2. All seat and aircraft
- avg credit = 71.90 -77.83

For every hr you are paid at envoy, you are away for 4.66 hrs.

In the future we get 1 flight a day to city's we over night in. On the crj that would equal a handful of flights, and not fix anything.

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Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 2205464)

^Anybody even remotely considering listening to anything this person has to say..pay close attention to how he speaks and the language he uses. That says it all.

Was Ric mad at you

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Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 2205464)

^Anybody even remotely considering listening to anything this person has to say..pay close attention to how he speaks and the language he uses. That says it all.

So you lose when facts show up. So what do you do. You tell people not to listen to my facts, because I hurt your feelings.

Do you need an ice pack for the top of your head. Rub some of that facial cream on it till we can get you a bandaid.

Message from our Union this morning regarding schedules:

Improving Schedules
On the mind of many pilots is “This temporarily addresses the pay problems and may attract more new hires, but what about the quality of life for the rest of us here at Envoy?”. It is no secret that our schedules have been affected negatively by the re-distribution of flying around the AAG FFD system. We have been talking about “seeking improvements” for nearly two years. However, recent changes at AA are actually showing that tangible gains might finally be coming, as Scheduling Chairman Jeff Cortez mentioned in his October schedules briefing – “those now in charge seem immediately more receptive to ENY’s input.” AAG has committed to network changes in the way metal is assigned to routes that will likely bring relief to our schedules. Our Scheduling Committee is cautiously optimistic that those improvements may actually begin happening; with most becoming visible around the end of the year. They will continue to work hard to make that happen.

Furthermore, looming closely on the horizon is the return of the Embraer 145s from ExpressJet. We do not yet know how many of those aircraft are returning to Envoy, or how many will be moving to Piedmont. We do know that any additional airplane will likely come with some of the midday flying we have been missing so dearly.

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Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 2205470)

Message from our Union this morning regarding schedules:

Improving Schedules
On the mind of many pilots is “This temporarily addresses the pay problems and may attract more new hires, but what about the quality of life for the rest of us here at Envoy?”. It is no secret that our schedules have been affected negatively by the re-distribution of flying around the AAG FFD system. We have been talking about “seeking improvements” for nearly two years. However, recent changes at AA are actually showing that tangible gains might finally be coming, as Scheduling Chairman Jeff Cortez mentioned in his October schedules briefing – “those now in charge seem immediately more receptive to ENY’s input.” AAG has committed to network changes in the way metal is assigned to routes that will likely bring relief to our schedules. Our Scheduling Committee is cautiously optimistic that those improvements may actually begin happening; with most becoming visible around the end of the year. They will continue to work hard to make that happen.

Furthermore, looming closely on the horizon is the return of the Embraer 145s from ExpressJet. We do not yet know how many of those aircraft are returning to Envoy, or how many will be moving to Piedmont. We do know that any additional airplane will likely come with some of the midday flying we have been missing so dearly.

Yes we have all seen this in the post above. Why don't you post the whole thing, parts showing how bad it currently is here. Also it states cautiously optimistic. This was actually a bad part of the letter for one of Ric's lap dogs to post. It shows we still don't know if we will get our aircraft back or not, it implies that there's hope things will get better now that Kirby is gone, because knew management is listening. I'll be the first to say great when they actually make changes. Hopefully for you changes aren't. 13.99 days off and and 78 credit hrs. as avg.

I think islom will be better then Kirby, but we'll see how much. Till then stick to what current facts are, and then when changes happen we can post those changes.

Don't blame me, I voted for koda. https://youtu.be/zRdNOQcfp-8