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Because they still want to maintain control. They give you the impression that's it's good for you but in reality the current bidding system is better.

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Originally Posted by Tom Kazansky (Post 2230525)

Why in the world would they do that?
(That's a serious question. Please refrain from the water cooler banter that this type of question usually elicits).
I genuinely don't understand why someone from a cubicle who probably doesn't really care very mich about how a trip is put together (except
For meeting monthly mins) would be in charge instead of the actual pilots???

That was a major red flag for me.

The union is involved some with the building of trips.

PBS, would be a huge give from us. It would get rid of any trip conflicts. Say your bid has carry over into November like some of the October packets had flying into the 3rd. PBS would not allow you to have any trips that conflicted with that. Our current system, you can bid for a line that has a sequence on those days AND YOU ARE PAY PROTECTED. Many pilots use this to their advantage and get a whole sequence paid for without flying any of it. Also, our current system allows us to drop whole sequences if they touch our vacation. So one week of vacation can turn into 2 to 3 weeks. PBS would get rid of that and only allow you to bid for trips around your vacation, and one week would be one week of vacation.

While PBS could give you a little more control over exactly what days you are off. With our contract it is not worth it at all.

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Originally Posted by moon (Post 2230538)

So, is switching to PBS a concession that you are taking?

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Originally Posted by moon (Post 2230538)

So one week of vacation can turn into 2 to 3 weeks. PBS would get rid of that...

Heard a guy in our indoc class telling a kid about this exact same thing today. Might have been you haha.

Also, does the envoy trip system allow us to trade parts of our trips? Or does the trade have to be the entire trip?

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Originally Posted by LongTimeListenr (Post 2230521)

Something about your "there aren't any replacement pilots coming" claim doesn't add up.

What does add up is that by your own admission you are heading to AA very shortly, and like clockwork you have adapted the burn-it-down mentality of many of the flows who have come before you.

I've adopted a burn-it-down mentality? Why not say that nobody respects women more than Trump, or that Hillary did not know that "C" stood for classified while you're at it?

Perhaps you missed my point. Let me be more clear...the CRJ's are leaving, and that is not necessarily a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Eject (Post 2230578)

Eventually. And that we can agree on.

Next year? Not so much.

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Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 2230548)

So, is switching to PBS a concession that you are taking?

Yes, PBS is definitely a concession.

Yea. They "AAG" better realize we won't fold....oh crap. It's ALPA. So what else will be be giving up with PBS?

But seriously this better be a pilot vote.

New Captains are going to be flying as FO's as well.

Thats no good IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Tom Kazansky (Post 2230551)

Wasn't me, just common knowledge that PBS would be bad for us.

Trip trade no idea, I have been on reserve pretty much since I started over 3 years ago. It is by choice, more nights at home for me.