But 145s don't look as good as 175s on their Instagram accounts!

That ATR looked pretty BA on my Motorola Razr

Day off at JetBlue?

Actually, I like how cool the 145 looks after takeoff. Especially when some guys rotate a little slower than normal with the gear up. Plus, I really like the simplicity of the airplane as well. So easy to hand fly out of the sim and IOE.

They've all got their positives and negatives. I honestly always enjoyed the variety of flying on the 145. Small airports, big airports, Caribbean flying, and actually having to shoot something other than an ILS! But, I digress. I guess it's just not the same without the engines under the wings. ☹️

Is the current contract available online? I've googled it, but no luck.

That's true. Nothing like doing two 15 minute flights, then doing a 2.5 to 3 hour flight.

But it doesn't have slats, you cannot stand up completely in it and most importantly, you can't puff your chest out as much when you say, "I'm an airline pilot" (especially to chicks).

Size DOES matter to the airline pilot. ;)

Wow, are pilots really giving up seniority based on equipment type? That is completely ridiculous. New pilots considering working here, please understand: seniority is everything. Your initial equipment assignment as a new hire can easily change because of future displacements and vacancies. The only thing that matters is to get as early a seniority number as possible. Period.

The 145 is actually a lot more fun to fly than the 175 and the new hires would be much better off learning in it to be honest. If it was up to me they would all start out in it and would all become better pilots because of it. THEN, move up to the 175 auto-jet after they mastered that. You actually got to fly the 145, it's very forgiving, like a trainer, hard to get yourself into trouble, can go as slow as you want, decent like a rock if you need too, its very basic and you learn a lot about flying simple basic jet aircraft with large margins of error built in and a huge safe speed range to play with, and you are regularly hand flying different things in all kinds of conditions, very short runways, uncontrolled at night, crappy weather hand flying approaches, actually flying stars and crossing restrictions manually, fun visual approaches into podunk fields with no tower, and it teaches you a lot.

The CRJ 700 is a step up, it is more advanced, more of a critical wing, slats, less forgiving up at high altitudes, less forgiving with speeds, harder to slow down, more powerful, it will bite you in the a ss if you screw up and get too slow up high, heavy or hot, it's harder to land, you do WAY less non precision approaches, less fun visual approaches, mostly all you do is controlled field, big airport, straight in ILS type of crap just due to the nature of where we fly it.

Where the E175 you don't really "fly" it at all anymore with auto throttles and VNAV, you're just an automation monitor, you program the FMS to do EVERYTHING, then just sit back and make sure it actually does it, no more pushing buttons on the overhead or using judgement to make a crossing restriction, no more trying to slow down and maintain speed in gusty winds on an approach, no more thinking about what do I need to do now to make this happen, it does it all for you until you click off the autopilot at 50' for landing. Hand flying it is discouraged. Then you don't even pull the thrust levers back to land, it even does that for you at 30'. You really don't do anything anymore. Yeah, it's nicer and bigger, and way better for the passengers, but flying it isn't even flying anymore. This is from someone that has been on all 3 of our jets now.

Honestly the Saab was the most fun plane here I flew and glad I did it. The 175 is boring compared to the others and will make you lose all your skills, your scan will go to hell and you will become lazy since you are no longer even required to fly it at all once you learn to program the box on this thing. The one thing actually beneficial about the 175 is it is a good transition aircraft to a 737/Airbus or similar mainline aircraft because the FMS/auto-throttles and VNAV is about the same.

Funny thing is if you were to click off the autopilot and auto throttles on a new hire on the 175, take away his VNAV info and tell him to fly the STAR into DFW with all the between altitude step downs with speed restrictions, he would be completely screwed because he has no experience or skills to do it because of this jet normally doing everything for you, and that is how we are trained to operate it. It's not their fault, they never learned to actually fly a jet without all the higher level automation.. just the way it is now.

Nothing wrong with flying a 145 or a CRJ7, both are way the hell better than a C-172 or a Seminole.

I'm a new hire and can hand fly all of those things you mentioned in your post soooo...

Cool story bro...

Sometimes 1 number. Sometimes, you're the last captain displaced after 9/11. Sometimes, you're the last captain to be displaced out of LAX to the ATR in SJU. Sometimes, you're the last captain to be displaced out of SJU until you say, F it, I'm going somewhere else.

Or so I've heard.

***sigh***

I am hoping that the CP makes a stand like it sounded like he was going to and keep ORD from getting crashed from the other WO starting service up there. (Example: partys/lunches, crew coom use)

What what...

Sounds like we need to organize an Airways WO pizza party in the Envoy crew room. I'll buy!

Crew room is already full and I doubt you guys will get door codes so that is a good place to start on keeping other WOs out.

It's ok princess, we read the sign.

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Whatever group You People identify with is your business.

Oh boy...lol just messin with ya. I'm not a crew room dweller anyway. You were just sounding a little sanctimonious there...

Size does matter, in the paychecks.

"God darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar *****. "

I was, but because ORD makes it that way.

You can go have my crappy taco. Just look beaten down and distraught and you will fit right in. Be prepared to get lectured about your improperly worn wings though.

I LOLed. That's funny.

I'm not really sure why you guys are worried about PSA in your crew room. We aren't getting any more of your 700s (and there is the possibility we would send back the ones we already took delivery of if we can't staff them). And we certainly aren't opening an ORD base at this point.

Because it already happened in MIA. RAH started going into our crew room...the company came back with "it's an American Eagle crew room, not a Envoy crew room".

It could happen, would you like some envoy guys go to the PSA crew room and stay there while on a sit in CLT?

Yet another example of history repeating itself. In the '90's, the DFW crew room was shared by both Simmons and Wings West and Simmons flew some flights through BNA between DFW and ORD and used Flagships crew room there.

It seems no one really concerns themselves with Eagle history much and thus end up shocked and upset when things happen that have in the past.

Honestly, I could care less if you came into the CLT crew room.

The difference now is everyone has their own crew rooms. Airways regionals had/shared spaces like in CLT. Dfw and ord everyone is separated. And it works, we all know we won't get along so it would be best not to try it and find out.

Truly sad that it has come to this.^^^^^^

sounds like the early-mid 90's all over again...

Why won't we get along?

Why? You know why...

The envoy FOs took a $80k hit because PSA bend over for planes instead of holding the line with Xjet, Rah, Envoy. There was momentum between the regionals and it was killed by PSA pilots.

Mid Sr Envoy FOs should had been CAs for about 2 yrs now. But AAG played it nicely, PSA is so JR pilot group they will try to keep them locked longer than ENY/PDT pilots which are more expensive.

Because Envoy pilots are still oblivious to what happened a couple of years ago. They blame a group of pilots that are currently flying at the majors now, but are attempting to punish some new regional pilots, for what was not their fault in the first place.

AAG is to blame. Period.

All you are doing is keeping the regionals divided, which is exactly what management wants. Good job. Parker will be happy!

Wrong wrong wrong! This is why there is so much hatred towards you scab$...because you just don't get it. Any pilot hired in the past 2 and a half years knowingly went to a company that perpetuated the race to the bottom. At least some of the guys hired pre-vote could claim they voted no and tried to convince their peers of the right course of action. The new guys? They're just as bad, if not worse, then the ones who voted on that contract. I know many pilots who wouldn't get caught dead even interviewing at that scumbag operation after the 2013 vote.

I've shared vans, jumpseats, and tables with Envoy pilots. I've had civil discussions with a handful about the history between Envoy and PSA. If you don't feel you can get along professionally and have control over your emotions, that sounds like a personal problem.

See what I mean. Parker thanks you for holding the management line.

Lol.

That means that you won't ever fly for a major airline that voted in a concessionary contract? Delta, AA, and United must be off of your list.

That would mean that Envoy (Eagle) has NEVER done anything wrong, ever. Am I correct?

PSA would be out of business, hundreds of pilots would have been on the street, and the regional market would be EXACTLY where it is now if PSA had voted no.

Oh, and good job holding the line on the no FO bonuses. Your MEC folded like a cheap lawn chair on that one. Thank you Parker, may I have another?!?!