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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
(Post 2080518)
Aww, come on man let them have their money, do you know how much coke and hookers 20k will buy.
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Originally Posted by SEPfield
(Post 2080522)
Yes I do and it's definitely not 2 years worth.
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So getting something for your pilots at the expense of the other regional airlines is ok when Envoy does it?
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
(Post 2080567)
So getting something for your pilots at the expense of the other regional airlines is ok when Envoy does it?
I gotta say, that's rich, a PSA pilot saying "at the expense of other regional airlines". |
Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
(Post 2080567)
So getting something for your pilots at the expense of the other regional airlines is ok when Envoy does it?
Your 1.5 years of seniority and quick advancement at PSA came at our expense. |
Retention or new hire doesn't matter. It still goes toward total compensation. You took it, PSA and PDT didn't. Justify it however you want to sleep at night. Your track record isn't so squeaky clean anyway. Before you got undercut, you did your own undercutting. But it's okay cause it was Envoy, the real American Eagle. Hello pot.
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retention bonus should be as endeavors, bonus for all pilots on property.
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Envoy, y'all should look at revisiting the commuter hotels. I heard PSA was offered $250 a month. For each pilot.
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Originally Posted by RyanP
(Post 2080574)
As long as its at the expense of PSA we will all vote for it after what your dirtbag company did.
Your 1.5 years of seniority and quick advancement at PSA came at our expense. |
Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
(Post 2080575)
Retention or new hire doesn't matter. It still goes toward total compensation. You took it, PSA and PDT didn't. Justify it however you want to sleep at night. Your track record isn't so squeaky clean anyway. Before you got undercut, you did your own undercutting. But it's okay cause it was Envoy, the real American Eagle. Hello pot.
Piedmont Airlines > News > Latest News |
Originally Posted by mr25cents
(Post 2080581)
Get with the program son:
Piedmont Airlines > News > Latest News |
Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
(Post 2080580)
And I'll happily take anything that reminds you premadonnas you're not DP's favorite child or more than a cog in the AA machine.
Oh thats right.. Drop the self righteous BS. You were a direct part of the problem in the first place. You went there after the vote looking for a quick upgrade knowing full well what was going on.. But quick upgrade!! Who cares! |
Originally Posted by RyanP
(Post 2080589)
Where was PSA pilots and all their new hires shortly after tripping over each other trying to get there into those incoming jets taken from us when Eagle told Parker NO. Twice..
Oh thats right.. Drop the self righteous BS. You were a direct part of the problem in the first place. You went there after the vote looking for a quick upgrade knowing full well what was going on. I came here for the base and no commute. I didn't give a crap about any of this drama and didn't even know about it until I got hired. Exjet called first but then stalled their classes. PSA called next. Maybe if you weren't already shrinking ENY might have called. Don't know, don't care, doesn't matter. |
Originally Posted by Waitingformins
(Post 2080579)
Envoy, y'all should look at revisiting the commuter hotels. I heard PSA was offered $250 a month. For each pilot.
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
(Post 2080596)
Every envoy commuters is given twice (easily) that each month in free hotels. 4 commuter hotels plus a hotel for any lost overnight plus a hotel for any day of OT one picks up. Every hotel that I have gotten in Chicago has cost the company between $129 to as much as $380 on a bad weather day.
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Originally Posted by RyanP
(Post 2080589)
Where was PSA pilots and all their new hires shortly after tripping over each other trying to get there into those incoming jets taken from us when Eagle told Parker NO. Twice..
Oh thats right.. Drop the self righteous BS. You were a direct part of the problem in the first place. You went there after the vote looking for a quick upgrade knowing full well what was going on.. But quick upgrade!! Who cares! We gave NOTHING to receive the bonus. The staffing problem was (is) management's problem to fix, that was their solution. We can all agree that it is not going to be enough to achieve their desired result but neither was Endeavor's the first time they implemented a bonus program. Twice they came back and increased the amount. We will likely see the same at envoy. Although, I personally doubt that it will every be as much as Delta is offering at Endeavor. To reiterate, the envoy pilots would LOVE to just have better pay rates but our "Brothers" at PSA helped to ensure that that wouldn't happen. I don't believe for a second that AAG approached the PSA MEC with the same deal or that their MEC turned it down. I think that guys like 1stCivDivPilot are just mad that their undercutting/quick upgrade gravy train is grinding to a halt. The problem when you ***** yourself out, is eventually your pimp finds a new fresh ***** willing to take your place. |
Originally Posted by FlameNSky
(Post 2080596)
Every envoy commuters is given twice (easily) that each month in free hotels. 4 commuter hotels plus a hotel for any lost overnight plus a hotel for any day of OT one picks up. Every hotel that I have gotten in Chicago has cost the company between $129 to as much as $380 on a bad weather day.
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
(Post 2080580)
And I'll happily take anything that reminds you premadonnas you're not DP's favorite child or more than a cog in the AA machine.
This isn't 2014 anymore...the PSA honeymoon is over. |
Originally Posted by FlameNSky
(Post 2080612)
If the PSA pilots hadn't of been so quick to bend over for Parker, when everyone else was saying NO, we would all have RAH or Endeavor Style compensation packages right now. If it hadn't been for PSA's "UNITY", envoy wouldn't need a retention bonus program.
We gave NOTHING to receive the bonus. The staffing problem was (is) management's problem to fix, that was their solution. We can all agree that it is not going to be enough to achieve their desired result but neither was Endeavor's the first time they implemented a bonus program. Twice they came back and increased the amount. We will likely see the same at envoy. Although, I personally doubt that it will every be as much as Delta is offering at Endeavor. To reiterate, the envoy pilots would LOVE to just have better pay rates but our "Brothers" at PSA helped to ensure that that wouldn't happen. I don't believe for a second that AAG approached the PSA MEC with the same deal or that their MEC turned it down. I think that guys like 1stCivDivPilot are just mad that their undercutting/quick upgrade gravy training is grinding to a halt. The problem when you ***** yourself out, is eventually your pimp finds a new fresh ***** willing to take your place. The gravy train would have been nice. I'm certainly holding on for a few more moths. I also have nothing to lose by walking and will. |
Originally Posted by Waitingformins
(Post 2080614)
But the non commuters dont get anything,...
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Everyone is so busy fighting over who screwed who first they fail to realize that for the first time in a long time companies are fighting over pilots, not vice a versa. Take advantage of it and maximize it.
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Originally Posted by Binksy
(Post 2080637)
Everyone is so busy fighting over who screwed who first they fail to realize that for the first time in a long time companies are fighting over pilots, not vice a versa. Take advantage of it and maximize it.
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Originally Posted by RyanP
(Post 2080589)
Where was PSA pilots and all their new hires shortly after tripping over each other trying to get there into those incoming jets taken from us when Eagle told Parker NO. Twice..
Oh thats right.. Drop the self righteous BS. You were a direct part of the problem in the first place. You went there after the vote looking for a quick upgrade knowing full well what was going on.. But quick upgrade!! Who cares! Well some of us tried to go to envoy and your own recruiters during the interview told us we were idiots if we came there. Sorry I didn't choose an airline based on your feeling. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by IceManCRJ
(Post 2080713)
Well some of us tried to go to envoy and your own recruiters during the interview told us we were idiots if we came there. Sorry I didn't choose an airline based on your feeling.
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Originally Posted by RyanP
(Post 2080589)
Where was PSA pilots and all their new hires shortly after tripping over each other trying to get there into those incoming jets taken from us when Eagle told Parker NO. Twice..
Oh thats right.. Drop the self righteous BS. You were a direct part of the problem in the first place. You went there after the vote looking for a quick upgrade knowing full well what was going on.. But quick upgrade!! Who cares! You, FlameNSky and Skyvector in the middle of the street at high noon facing down Parker & Co. Gives me chills. Envoy's the best! Never caved. We don't want to hear no self righteous BS from PSA! |
Originally Posted by ag386
(Post 2080815)
BOOM! Got him there RyanP.
You, FlameNSky and Skyvector in the middle of the street at high noon facing down Parker & Co. Gives me chills. Envoy's the best! Never caved. We don't want to hear no self righteous BS from PSA! |
Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 2080826)
Current PSA isn't the same pilots as the ones who voted in that TA. But yoi already know that. We are just trying to improve our airline the same way you are trying to improve yours.
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 2080826)
Current PSA isn't the same pilots as the ones who voted in that TA. But yoi already know that. We are just trying to improve our airline the same way you are trying to improve yours.
What is worse? Voting it in or actively choosing to work knowing the facts after the fact? This is like the Mesa knuckleheads crying about the classes still being full when they agreed to work for the same deal. ELOHEL. |
Originally Posted by HobGoblin
(Post 2080845)
Voting yes on a concessionary contract vs applying to work under said concessionary contract is the same thing. Heck it's even worse, at least you could argue the PSA pilots that voted yes were fearing for their jobs. You just saw a company that undercut multiple carriers and subsequently was able to grow explosively and took advantage of it. Don't act like some holier than thou crusader fighting for the good of the industry.
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Originally Posted by HobGoblin
(Post 2080845)
Voting yes on a concessionary contract vs applying to work under said concessionary contract is the same thing. Heck it's even worse, at least you could argue the PSA pilots that voted yes were fearing for their jobs. You just saw a company that undercut multiple carriers and subsequently was able to grow explosively and took advantage of it. Don't act like some holier than thou crusader fighting for the good of the industry.
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And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how AAG has always done business. Infighting and back stabbing amongst employees and groups.
One big happy family. http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/15108135.jpg |
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
(Post 2080953)
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how AAG has always done business. Infighting and back stabbing amongst employees and groups.
One big happy family. http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/15108135.jpg |
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
(Post 2080953)
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how AAG has always done business. Infighting and back stabbing amongst employees and groups.
One big happy family. http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/15108135.jpg |
Originally Posted by iFlyRC
(Post 2080961)
Last time I jumpseated on AA, was a TWA CA and FO. To this day they are still treated like unwanted step children!! Sorry, you can keep your flow, AA is one of the last places I would go!
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Originally Posted by iFlyRC
(Post 2080961)
Last time I jumpseated on AA, was a TWA CA and FO. To this day they are still treated like unwanted step children!! Sorry, you can keep your flow, AA is one of the last places I would go!
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The scope train has left the station.
Regionals are going to shrink now. I think we will see the 900's and 170's being the largest airplanes flown by regionals and regional flying will drop from 54% to 40%. |
Retention Bonuses at Envoy
Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 2080958)
Yea... I can't help but think that the only winner in this is AAG. I know a lot of people say that they want their wholly owneds to succeed.
Refine that statement a little: They want their wholly owneds to succeed in being cheap moneymakers for AAG. As employees we view the path to success and what constitutes that success completely differently than management. Their success has metrics that allow for the minimum employee benefits and pay needed to keep things running, a metric for customer complaints, and profit targets. Employee morale is not on the register unless it directly impacts management's metrics, in our case it's throwing money at FO's so they don't leave. We view success as good pay/benefits/QOL/career progression and that makes a happy employee who will take good care of the customer and the company. If management sees our "success" as an impediment to their views, well...sucks to be us. |
Originally Posted by FlameNSky
(Post 2080623)
Incorrect, non commuters get the same hotel provisions. We have quite a few "non commuters" that get hotels to reduce their drive time for an early show or ensure a quite place to sleep before an early AM trip. I even know of a couple of guys that have gotten a hotel and had the family meet them there so the kids could play in the pool.
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Originally Posted by boiler07
(Post 2081275)
According to the letter it's something like a 50-60mi limit. Meaning your decs address has to be at least that far from your base.
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
(Post 2081326)
Those assigning must not check. I can personally attest to that. ;)
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