Retention Bonuses at Envoy
 

This should make things interesting....good to see the company doing something finally!

Envoy rewards pilots with Part 121 experience : EnvoyAir

*Edit: These bonuses are enhanced signing bonuses for new hires as well.

It seems that a new hire in the next class with 1000 hours 121 could receive an extra $35k over the next two years.

Anyone know how much longer endeavor's retention payments are in effect?

Not sure...but one thing Envoy does have over Endeavor is the flow to AA. So these bonuses + a no interview flow to AA is huge for a new hire. Especially for a CFI in the pipeline program. In addition to all of the above they also have AA flight and medical benefits while instructing.

Never in a million years could I have ever dreamed of something like this when I was a CFI. But this makes me happy to see guys coming up behind me having it better than I did...unlike others I'm not going to mention. On that note....any bets how long this thread lasts before 2 or 3 of the usuals derail it?

I bet 1-2 pages...

How did the union sign off on the bonus just for FO's?

On behalf of eaglefly...

Stop Selling envoy.


Now back to the regular programming... XP

Endeavor pilots will receive their last retention payment in January 2019 as it stands now.

Ink to paper. I have the internal company-union LOA right in front of me. I can't publish it in public or else I would...but all signatures are at the bottom including our MEC Chairman.

Holy crap is that how young I looked when I got hired?!? Wow, kid looks like he's 17.

I have a hunch that AA is angling to take over most of the 170 flying from Republic slowly using Envoy. Just a hunch but I'm thinking the three legacies have a bone to pick with Republic after they tried to start their own airline.

Envoy rewards pilots with Part 121 experience

March 1, 2016 4:52 pm
Already the largest provider of regional service for American Airlines – offering aspiring pilots a direct path to a mainline flying career – Envoy today announced two new incentive programs to maintain that competitive edge when it comes to attracting and retaining experienced pilots.

Enhanced Signing Bonus for Part 121 Experience Pilots
Envoy is actively hiring new pilots each month to support both our scheduled flying and additional flights that American has asked us to perform. In addition to the $5,000 signing bonus all new hire pilots receive, Envoy will now offer up to $10,000 for new hire pilots who have Part 121 commercial air carrier experience. In return for a two-year commitment to Envoy, these pilots will receive $10 for every hour of Part 121 experience they bring to the company. For example:

A new hire with 1,000 hours of Part 121 experience will receive:



$5,000 signing bonus
+ $10,000 ($10 per hour x 1,000 hours)
$15,000 Total Bonus


A new hire pilot with 800 hours of Part 121 experience will receive:

$5,000 signing bonus
+ $8,000 ($10 per hour x 800 hours)
$13,000 Total Bonus


Apply today!



Retention Bonus for Envoy First Officers
To ensure Envoy’s current experienced First Officers (FOs) choose to remain at Envoy, the company today introduced a retention bonus of up to $20,000 for all Envoy First Officers who are on payroll as of March 1, 2016.

The First Officer Retention program begins March 1 and will continue for two years, ending February 28, 2018. Eligible Envoy First Officers will receive $2,500 after every quarter that they remain actively on payroll with Envoy.

“Combined with our unmatched flow-through to American that gives Envoy pilots a direct path to a mainline flying career, these incentive programs will provide Envoy with the competitive edge we need to recruit and retain the very best pilots to join our team,” said Captain Ric Wilson, Vice President Flight Operations. “No other regional carrier can boast of a growing fleet, an outstanding training program and a guaranteed path to fly for the world’s largest airline.”

They must have used the justification that all captains will flow rather soon then and won't need a retention bonus?

So, with the 121 experience, signing bonus, and retention pay, Envoy is offering $35k. 9E offers $46k in retention pay and training bonuses during that same time frame.

What's the latest flow timeline at Envoy? I'm told 9E upgrades are at 36 months, then two years in left seat before interviewing at Delta. Realistically, 5 years to Delta. It comes down to what legacy carrier you can see yourself at for 30 years, right?

First of all, I am very happy for the Envoy pilots. Congrats. This is great news for you.

The retention bonus says that you have to be on property prior to March 1, 2016, I believe. That would mean that new hire FO's will be eligible for the sign on bonus (if prior 121), and FO's already on property will get the retention bonus. Can't get both. Isn't that what it says?

It looks like it's heading in that direction.

Endeavor definitely pays more than Envoy and has a faster upgrade.

But Endeavor only gets you the Delta interview where Envoy gets you into AA. Small differences, but time will tell what actually matters to the new guys.

That's correct. $20k for current FOs and a total of $15k for new guys with 121 experience.

It's two separate announcements, yes. The first is an enhanced sign on bonus for pilots with 121 time. The second is retention bonus for all FOs on property as of today (March 1st). Then on top of that all new hires regardless of experience still get the $5,000 bonus that was already in place.

That's what the letter says, but the LOA has different language in how it determines who qualifies for the quarterly payouts.

I'd think that ALPA or the company would clarify that soon.

No. what it says is that it starts today.

So yesterday guys will get the whole 10k for this year. The next class will get 2,500k less, and so on.

9E you have to take AND pass interview with Delta, no such thing with AA WOs, just show up to class. Right now, flow is 16 years, but is not linear. So this time next year it might be a 12 year flow.

Odd how RAH files for bankruptcy last week, (which is flying around 106 E170/175's for AA). A large #. There staffing is about to tank big time even worse with the BK.

Now today we get retention bonus and higher new hire bonus for 121 pilots. Very recently AA said they weren't willing to give us anything extra, kept saying flow was enough.

Seems maybe AA could be unsure of keeping all those aircraft with RAH in bankruptcy and their staffing nightmare, and anticipate moving some American Eagle flying back here, needing the extra staffing here. (Why else would they FINALLY give in $$$)? Just a thought..

The issue of retaining extra FOs all of a sudden became a pressing issue. Follow the bouncing ball....you are on the right track.

So a retention bonus for FOs, nothing for the captains that scraped by on crap wages for 10+ years waiting to upgrade. Classy move AA

A person that I would consider to be "in the know" told me that Republic's 175 flying would likely start coming to Envoy in 16/17. This would seem to be a big indicator that they may have been correct.

So a retention bonus for FOs, and nothing for the captains that scraped by on crap wages for 10+ years waiting to upgrade.

Classy move AA

And I thought PSAs union made some crap deals.

They don't have a captain retention problem. It's a business decision. They're not doing it to be nice.

Retention Bonuses at Envoy
 

Why would you put all your eggs into one basket if your at a AA WO? It's a solid backup, but if you wait 16 or 12 years to flow, you've already missed the wave.


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As a Captain here, I agree. We definitely should get some retention $$$ too. I'm not holding my breath on that one.

BUT, I am happy the FO's will finally get something, because living on that FO pay for so long was a nightmare. This isn't as nice as Endeavors for sure, but we have a much better flow as well so it's a bit of a trade off. I suppose it's better than just another kick in the nuts that most of us were expecting. Probably just what they wanted, beat us down for so long, and anything extra sounds good. (lowered expectations).

Maybe we hold onto some FO's and get some more new hires now. Not really enough to hold onto anyone over a LCC or better, but may prevent laterals. It''s some extra cash in hand for those stuck here. Remember those upgrading soon get that other $7500 as well when their number comes up. I know it's not going to be all combined with the full retention $$, but it's something.

I really think this has something to do with the RAH AA flying. They aren't doing this for no reason all of a sudden.

The other $7500 gets paid on January 2017 regardless if they have upgraded by then or not. Good news all around.

Because barring an economic meltdown, it won't take 12 years.

$4,500 to the ones upgrading, not 7,500. And if we don't upgrade, in Jan 2017, they have to pay us the debt.

I'm not, I'm still applying at other places. I've flown with too many captains who were "promised" that they would be at AA within 5 years, that promise was made 16 years ago.

All 3 of the wholly owned were offered the same thing. This was more than a week in the making. PDT and PSA told the company to pound sand unless everyone gets the bonus.

Envoy was the only sellout.

Stay classy, Envoy.

You're all wrong. It's $5k at the end of January 2017. They paid us $7.5k of the $12.5k.

The offer hasn't been made on those properties yet.

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Envoy piltos will be crying when PDT and PSA get larger bonuses for every pilot on property.

Yup. And will somehow still blame PDT and PSA pilots for it.

Nothing is ever the fault of Envoy pilots.

Yes I'm just saying that the guaranteed interview as well as the flow through are both just back up plans and unless the current situation changes, most people hired today shouldn't have to make use of either.


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Your other post above was false...why was that? Sounds like you are the one trying to blame Envoy for something which never happened. You sound angry...want to talk about it?

Sorry, I didn't remember the exact number lol. I was probably thinking the $7500 I got after taxes. That's where that number came in my head from. Either way, they still get something extra when they upgrade or in 2017. That's why I brought it up.