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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 2089713)

Of course I do.

It has come up in discussion before. Smaller ENY means that those senior pilots that do not wish to flow are clogging up an even greater percentage of valuable left seats available to upgrades and flow. It is a serious issue that I have not seen directly addressed - unless you count making this place a pain in the @55 to work for and commute to in order to drive them out. It's worked on several senior pilots I know. "******* that, I quit", they said. And they did. But not enough to solve that elephant in the room if ENY continues to shrink.

There's a far easier way to deal with senior pilots. That is, create a situation that makes accepting flow a better deal for most. Consolidation (or not) coupled with a contractual alteration that places all captains on competitive 12th year scale will drive more to AA. Not all, but more. The rest are free to stay, but they'll be no more expensive then most and only 100-200 pilots. If you don't think the present MEC (you know.......the guys now making deals for themselves via end runs over to the E-175 ;)) will assist the company while claiming it is "the best of two less then ideal options", you're a poor student of history. You may or may not be, but many there are.

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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 2089713)

Conveniently our projected shrinkage has slowed dramatically, so that will be very helpful in kicking the can down the road. We'll just have to see what happens. I have no idea what the average age of the "Declined" crowd is, or how far they are from retirement. That would also have to be factored in to the ever-fluctuating fleet plan and flow rates.

"Projected shrinkage" is like the male penis. It all depends on how the temperature of the water changes and that is an unpredictable variable. We know that "projections" at Envoy have a stronger history of inaccuracy vs. accuracy and a shrinking penis there is not condusive to satisfying the raging, lustful upgrade desires of future new-hires.

Sorry for the poetry, Envoy just brings it out in me.

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Originally Posted by Saabless (Post 2089695)

If AA gets desparate for new hires at their regionals, they can always give out seniority numbers. I bet that would help them staff it. And it wouldn't cost them a dime. Other regionals would be toast.

Not necessary. Announce a MIA base, more shiny 175s and an extra $10 an hour pay rate* for the FO's and they will find the applicants they need.

*An actual increase in pay, no stupid bonus BS.

betting acquiring another regional is in the works

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Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2089730)

Not necessary. Announce a MIA base, more shiny 175s and an extra $10 an hour pay rate* for the FO's and they will find the applicants they need.

An actual increase in pay, no stupid bonus BS.

How about one out of those three? Or more accurately, 1.5 out of those three. ;)

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Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2089730)

Not necessary. Announce a MIA base, more shiny 175s and an extra $10 an hour pay rate* for the FO's and they will find the applicants they need.

*An actual increase in pay, no stupid bonus BS.

How many pilots from other Regionals orgasmically crave MIA ? How many find $10/hour ($6.50 after taxes or about $6K/year) an uncontrollable aphrodisiac ?

I think you're overestimating the attractiveness of your next sales approach. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 2089731)

betting acquiring another regional is in the works

Not necessarily. You can shrink another airline and give them preferential interviews. Many will take it, starting by the Jr guys, moving up as shrinkage happen.

It's what happened here in a way back in 2013.

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Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 2089732)

How about one out of those three? Or more accurately, 1.5 out of those three. ;)

So....a MIA base and "not so shiny" used 175's?

I wonder if more jets and an MIA base alone will attract applicants... Money seems to be what people want these days. And AAG seems stingy with theirs.

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2089844)

I wonder if more jets and an MIA base alone will attract applicants... Money seems to be what people want these days. And AAG seems stingy with theirs.

It certainly won't hurt by offering more bases and planes if in fact that's what's going to happen. And as far as money is concerned, they might be a little late again, but with the new hire bonuses increased and retention program initiated it's a step in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 2089732)

How about one out of those three? Or more accurately, 1.5 out of those three. ;)

The .5 better not be a MIA satellite base. They need to open a PERMANENT base. They can take that unpredictable satellite base garbage they are drooling over and shuv it up their ***.