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Originally Posted by SayAlt
(Post 2091298)
Hey man, you wanna believe in Doug Parker's word, be my guest.
Me, I'd trust Hillary more than Doug Parker. And that's saying a LOT. |
Originally Posted by Skyvector
(Post 2091444)
Which is fantastic. When haters from other airlines start coming out of the woodwork in mass it means the airline in question is doing something right.
Speaking for myself, I'm not a "hater". I 100% hope that "flow" at Envoy works the way every Envoy pilot hopes it works. But Doug Parker will always be Doug Parker, and it's his promise you are banking on. Parker WILL without question work to cause staffing problems at other regionals before he creates them for his own WOed regionals... ...which means AA will hire more street pilots in the long run than it will take from it's WOed regionals. "Flow" is a carrot....in lieu of hard cash today...for those who have not done their homework and don't know who they are dealing with. It is that simple. Anyone at Envoy who is counting on flowing to AA is relying on Doug Parker to keep his word....most especially today's new hires. Good luck with that. I sincerely hope it works out for you. But I wouldn't bet my career on it. That's not hate. That's simply an observation.
Originally Posted by FlameNSky
(Post 2091447)
Its not about believing Doug Parker's word. Anyone who justifies going to Envoy for "the flow" as a major reason/rational is most definitely believing Doug Parker will keep his word and means what he says. That is not to say there aren't other reasons for choosing to go to Envoy (although aside from domicile I am hard pressed to know what they are given all the other available alternatives out there at present). But what we hear over and over again from you Envoy types is "the flow! the flow! the flow!"... ...like the old TV show "Fantasy Island" with the midget Tattoo crying "The plane! The plane! The plane!" See: The OP and title to this thread. |
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
(Post 2091385)
That's spectacular advice!
Why didn't I think of that? I'll just upend my family's life so I can go back to school for a finance degree and then work 60-70 hours a week and weekends too. I'll never see them, but I'll tell them that this guy on the internet said I needed to fly as a hobby, and boy was he right. I just need to earn a few million real quick so I can make enough for retirement before I run back to fly airplanes again. He also refused to let me use his time machine so that I could completely alter the course of my life in a timely manner to avoid all these hang ups like bankruptcies and market crashes. Thanks for the advice. |
Originally Posted by SayAlt
(Post 2091452)
"Flow" is a carrot....in lieu of hard cash today...for those who have not done their homework and don't know who they are dealing with. Not every regional lifer is there by choice. |
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
(Post 2091426)
Worked out great for me.
Went to college, got a degree in finance, went straight to the trading floor, then retired in my 30's. Now I fly professionally...because I can, not because I have to. It happened because I had focus, ambition, and goals at an early age. If anyone else didn't, they should blame themselves and no one else. And no one wants to hear them cry about it, either. |
Originally Posted by ORDinary
(Post 2091474)
Who's crying about it? Good for you, but nobody wants to hear you brag either.
Who's bragging? My post was in direct response to...
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
(Post 2091423)
Go for it.
Tell us all how well it works out for you. If ya don't wanna know, don't ask. |
I can make up stories on the internet too.
I went to Harvard, studied computer science. Started a tech company. Sold it for 374 million dollars. Retired at 19. Then I got smart and decided 374 million is chump change and decided to go win the powerball jackpot. Used my smarts to design a computer algorithm to beat the game. Collected another 490 Million on that move. Now I work at Eagle for fun, not because I have too. This regional flying 14 hour days and waking up at 3:30am for this Holiday Inn Fargo North Dakota rockstar lifestyle in a jungle jet is so unbelievably fun and awesome. |
Actually, retiring early isn't what it's cracked up to be.
You have all this free time and $$ to go/do wherever you want. But none of your friends do. Willing to pay their way? That's how you become surrounded by leaches, not true friends. Trust me. I learned the hard way. Trust me also in this: Honest work is it's own reward. For many of us, flying professionally has been a life dream. And any dream worth pursuing has it's share of drawbacks. At the end of the day, no one gets out of this life alive with all their toys and $$. |
Seems like some people don't know what is an insurance.
The only ones not applying to any other airline are the CAs that should be flowing in about 6/12 months. Why? Because they get to go with their seniority for vacation purposes. A CA that's being at envoy for 15yrs will be at AA with 5 weeks vacations. Senior FOs are waiting for upgrade or a call from another legacy, JR guys are looking more into the LCC. Anyone entering the regional industry thinking that it will be hired in the Big3 with only 1,000 TPIC is crazy. Even the Delta recruiters told me they like to see more loyalty and stability career wise than jump for upgrade. They don't care about TPIC, neither AA or United. There can be CA with 2500hrs at Mesa, GoJet, PSA or other fast upgrade. They are still not competitive for the legacies, because most people have 5k+ hours The flow is only for a back pocket insurance. Anyone going into a WO only for the flow and don't apply to the other airlines is just plain stupid. |
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