Trollin' trollin' trollin


You're very lucky I'm not a moderator, Diva. I would delete this thread and you would be banned from these forums permanently.

How many mandatory retirements are there?
What percentage of each class is filled from envoy?

Your statement is inaccurate on those two points alone.

It's basic math, ever heard of it? It's less than six years.

So, why do you invent things that are outright false with no factual data to support your lies?

I don't see you in the Mesa or othe regional threads telling them doom and gloom. You don't even work at envoy.

You sir are a troll, and if the moderators here had any ethics they'd enforce their own rules and ban you.

Well, if the ALPA numbers are correct. I should go in 2019, by then I would be 8yrs in the company almost 9.

Now, it all depends, that's with the bare minimums and no attrition. I think it could be late 2018.

I said the path down to 6 yrs is on the way.

How much hiring did AA do when you were first hired? Very little, probably none. Therefore, if there was no hiring there were also no flows from Eagle. It's that simple. Today it's different.

OK Cuj, basic math. I've added it up. The absolute best case scenario says, yes, it is possible. It's still not FACTS. However, with no more than 10 to 12 new hires per month, just how is Envoy planning to replace all of these pilots leaving via flow and attrition? Just take a look at the hiring numbers so far this year. It's getting really ugly everywhere.

Since Envoy is now down in the mid 1800's, you are really close to being "right-sized." Previously, they could afford to lose the bodies when they were shrinking. Since PSA can't staff it's planes, Envoy is still responsible for the 35 CRJ's for who knows how long into the future. In addition to the few extra 140/145 frames that are being returned from storage and other carriers.

So, how about pulling your head out of your rear end and use whatever real thinking power you may have.

How is Envoy going to replace these guys so YOU can flow? Better yet, why don't you stop spreading misinformation here as well. Seems like a ban is in order for you too.

I wouldn't buy anything this guy is selling. He's just a salesman and full of it.

I would ask you to please provide the math that backs up your assertions. You are arguing a position based on "factual data", so for the benefit of all, please provide yours. Personally, I think his estimate is a bit long, but yours is too short. The only thing they both share are that they are uncertain projections as there are too many unidentified variables possible to make either projection a certainty.

Again, for everyone's benefit, please substantiate the projection of a flow to AA for the pilots in the last class to be at AA in less then 6 years or Charlie Bucket from last May. This is not trolling and accurate info has nothing to do with "doom and gloom", so continuing to beat that dead horse serves no purpose. You refused my last request and leveled the same baseless claims at me and I'm hoping for a little more success this time.

Of course..............if this is "April Fools" on everyone here, then you got me ! :rolleyes:

Exactly. Also the only flow was for the 824s. Next year, the flow was extended to everyone in the company. Then bankruptcy happened.

In my first year here I moved around 400 numbers up, because of the flow and attrition. It seems it's happening again slowly...

What's your opinion on Envoy reaching the "critical staffing" level that I've been discussing? Do you think that AA will follow in United/Delta's footsteps and bring more current regional flying to mainline OR do they double down on keeping three WO's, a "portfolio" of other regional feed and sticking with the plan they've had all along?

If it's the latter, I see no way that Envoy can flow more than just a few a month with the tepid numbers of new hires that have been showing up.

Hey, I thought this thread was doing fine as I have nothing against people selling Envoy here (even though I think it won't do much good). But........what is needed is ACCURACY in the claims and representations and I don't know who could argue with that. IF they are going to argue X time to flow to AA, I think at the very LEAST, the math projections should demonstrate that and if they do, fine, but with the caveat that they are only hopeful projections based on the most optimistic environment going forward over half a decade.

If Cujo's math supports a flow to AA in less then 5 years for new-hires of today, then I think they should be able to honk that horn, if they so choose. We KNOW the 2.5 upgrade claim is bunk though and we SEE that Envoy is falling WAY short in recruitment and those two factors are part of the flow equation and so already, that utopian optimistic environment which must be CONSISTENT over the next 6 years is already unmet.

The question then becomes, is the regional pilot environment expected to get better or worse as the years roll by ?