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Originally Posted by cr700
(Post 2101005)
This board is largely useless when you have the same two trolls posting over and over all of these assumptions they are making that have no basis whatsoever in fact. And to top it off, neither one of them work here.
Cujo's posting is correct. The math works. Someone who could only get hired at Allegiant, a severe downgrade for an Envoy FO by the way (might as well go to Great Lakes), and someone who slipped through the hiring process cracks by flowing over to AA from a long ago flow agreement very obviously cannot do math correctly. AAG is truly in the process of making this a cradle to grave program. Their plans are to have Envoy as the premiere regional and the model by which all other carriers follow suit. We are already 95% there. A few adjustments and tweaks are being made but as you can see, the FLOW WORKS. It's been working. Not like when eaglefly was hired and only had to do an "Eagle" interview. Now, the interview process is based exactly on the the AA interview footprint so that there are no longer anyone "slipping through the cracks." Keeping the CRJ's indefinitely, EMB 140's and 145's returning to the property, and continued delivery of 175's are setting Envoy up for success. We just announced 87 upgrades last month. You can expect everything management has announced in the past to come to fruition. |
Originally Posted by ag386
(Post 2101026)
How about this one. Where's Charlie Bucket's upgrade as advertised? Junior CA is 3/08. Ol' Charlie is supposed to upgrade this November.
The 2.5/6 was announced last May. This means 2.5 years would be November 2017. basic math a problem? Personally, I think the 2.5 is a bit optimistic, but outright lying like you do doesn't help anybody. I'm putting you in the same category as eaglefly. Not quoting you anymore or wasting time with you. On ignore you go. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2101051)
More inaccurate info from you
The 2.5/6 was announced last May. This means 2.5 years would be November 2017. basic math a problem? So, even with it being next November. How are you going to go from a current junior CA of 3/08 to a junior CA of 5/15 in 13 months? What about your outright lying and selling on this thread? Constantly 2.5/5.5 which you know ain't gonna work. I'm putting you in the same category as CR700. |
Originally Posted by cr700
(Post 2101005)
This board is largely useless when you have the same two trolls posting over and over all of these assumptions they are making that have no basis whatsoever in fact. And to top it off, neither one of them work here.
Cujo's posting is correct. The math works. Someone who could only get hired at Allegiant, a severe downgrade for an Envoy FO by the way (might as well go to Great Lakes), and someone who slipped through the hiring process cracks by flowing over to AA from a long ago flow agreement very obviously cannot do math correctly. As far as the "Math" working - it's fuzzy math at best. I don't think anyone is really arguing against your math - it's the way you try to make the flow out as a solid plan when it's not and hasn't been in the past. AAG is truly in the process of making this a cradle to grave program. Their plans are to have Envoy as the premiere regional and the model by which all other carriers follow suit. We are already 95% there. A few adjustments and tweaks are being made but as you can see, the FLOW WORKS. It's been working. The flow works? Okay, for the people going now, the flow worked, 16 YEARS LATER! The TRUTH for a prospective new hire pilot at envoy: You are being "promised" a flow to AA by the very people that have broken many "promises", both contractual and verbal. What you get right now is a job at a regional where the vast majority of employees, from pilots to gate agents, are disgruntled. You will get less days off than most regionals and sit reserve much longer. Those are the facts of the case. Notice every time I bring them up, a company trumpet comes in and "misdirects" back to the precious flow? One supposed "normal" FO has come on to talk about how his life isn't so bad here at envoy, and actually MADE my case with his Stockholm Syndrome! Do you want to work for people that are being opaque with you from the start? Dont trust these people. |
Originally Posted by ag386
(Post 2101028)
Just like I mentioned to Cujo. Where are your FACTS? Not projections. You can project all day long and it may or may not happen. Seems like whenever we ask you and Cuj to provide facts, you conveniently disappear only to show up later blasting out some sales pitch over and over and over.
Both you and eaglefly should go read all the old threads. The math has been explained repeatedly already. The math hasn't changed, in spite of common core. Do a little research yourself; all the info is out there already. I mostly now only post on lost weekends at work. Home time is now reserved for family. If that's disappearing then so be it. Try asking before making more false assumptions. You need to get the wax out of your ears or take reading comprehension classes. Crusader and I agree more than disagree. my opinion on the 2.5 is and has been public; you just choose to ignore it, and selectively don't quote posts that don't meet your talking point. The majority of Envoy pilots can recognize people to be ignored. You and eaglefly made the team. Bubye |
Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
(Post 2101059)
I work here champ. Longer than you have I am certain. There are plenty that work here that have spoken up against what you are misrepresenting.
Wow. So you flame at guys that aren't providing facts and then you, yep, provide supposition as fact. Allegiant pays more. End of story. At least you aren't saying JetBlue and Spirit are downgrades too still because that (IMO) really made you look dumb. As far as the "Math" working - it's fuzzy math at best. I don't think anyone is really arguing against your math - it's the way you try to make the flow out as a solid plan when it's not and hasn't been in the past. That's great! AAG are such awesome caring people! I'm so glad they have a robot like yourself to trumpet for them! The flow works? Okay, for the people going now, the flow worked, 16 YEARS LATER! The TRUTH for a prospective new hire pilot at envoy: You are being "promised" a flow to AA by the very people that have broken many "promises", both contractual and verbal. What you get right now is a job at a regional where the vast majority of employees, from pilots to gate agents, are disgruntled. You will get less days off than most regionals and sit reserve much longer. Those are the facts of the case. Notice every time I bring them up, a company trumpet comes in and "misdirects" back to the precious flow? One supposed "normal" FO has come on to talk about how his life isn't so bad here at envoy, and actually MADE my case with his Stockholm Syndrome! Do you want to work for people that are being opaque with you from the start? Dont trust these people. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2101060)
One last time
Both you and eaglefly should go read all the old threads. The math has been explained repeatedly already. The math hasn't changed, in spite of common core. Do a little research yourself; all the info is out there already. |
As for this video - it is just telling propaganda at how little AA is really willing to throw at this issue. I mean I'm sure it took a little ego swallowing by doofus Isom: this time last year our union met with Isom to outline the problems at Eagle. He did almost nothing.
The true underlying issue is that they are working people like a sweat house. The schedules are the worst they have EVER been and they have stayed that way for years now. They won't change that unless absolutely neccesary. That costs big money and big ego. Making a video - mehh. Hitler made plenty. |
Originally Posted by ag386
(Post 2101026)
How about this one. Where's Charlie Bucket's upgrade as advertised? Junior CA is 3/08. Ol' Charlie is supposed to upgrade this November.
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Well it was a nice couple days of civility while it lasted.
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