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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2106145)

It would be good news for imminent 824's to have some slots with Letter T's, but I would wonder how long that might last, if that occurs. In all likelihood, the LT rate won't be linear and will have ebbs and flows and even if they do trickle some flows in initially, it MAY be they would periodically stop IF periodic surges raise the percentage rate. I think it might be a month to month thing, but any flows concurrent with LT's would be better then none. Of course, any Envoy flows would also mean other WO flows as well.

You forgot to include IF the US economy collapses, IF the U.S.A. turns communist and IF a meteor destroys the earth. Like it or not, good things are happing at envoy, despite your best efforts. I would guess, that at this point in your life, you are getting use to not measuring up to your goals.

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2106145)

It would be good news for imminent 824's to have some slots with Letter T's, but I would wonder how long that might last, if that occurs. In all likelihood, the LT rate won't be linear and will have ebbs and flows and even if they do trickle some flows in initially, it MAY be they would periodically stop IF periodic surges raise the percentage rate. I think it might be a month to month thing, but any flows concurrent with LT's would be better then none. Of course, any Envoy flows would also mean other WO flows as well.

Not necessarily, they can flow from envoy, but they don't have to flow from the other WO. I don't think envoy flows counts as "new hires", like the PDT & PSA counts for us.

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Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2106195)

If only you could post something of substance. I guess at this point in your life you are at peace with your shortcomings which are many.

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Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2106198)

Not necessarily, they can flow from envoy, but they don't have to flow from the other WO. I don't think envoy flows counts as "new hires", like the PDT & PSA counts for us.

Theoretically yes, but I doubt that is the message they'd send to the other WO's. The belief by some that Envoy is special among the WO's in AAG's eyes is misguided IMO.

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Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2106198)

Not necessarily, they can flow from envoy, but they don't have to flow from the other WO. I don't think envoy flows counts as "new hires", like the PDT & PSA counts for us.

If they flow for envoy they will also flow for the step children as well. DP needs to make the flow appear to be working.

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Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2102619)

All those old threads have long been debunked in your absence. The math doesn't add up hence why we are always reliving this topic.

I think it is obvious though that if Envoy can't hire the 40 pilots per month needed to support the flow numbers you are projecting (again projecting, let's not forget envoy pilots flowing today are 16 year employees), then the flow falls apart.

How ya feeling now? I said 2.5/6 was entirely possible back in 2015. I said the staffing shortage industry wide would fix the pay.
Results:
Profit sharing back
Among the Highest starting pay in the industry, $40k more than it used to be
Retention bonuses all around
Critical coverage pay
Hotels in base
Commuter hotels
OT hotels. (How many guys still have crashpads anymore?)
They've been honoring the flow, and at many points well exceeded the 50% requirement.
AAG has been much better at doing what they say than AMR ever was.

I'd still like to see RSV rules fairly negotiated and better schedules. Every regional has its issues. Ours are minor in comparison at this point. Envoy is a great place for a new pilot starting out. For us older guys who've been around longer the changes are very hard to adjust to, however we are still better than many other places.

Sorry if I missed it, do you need a degree to get hired at Envoy?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2395893)

Sorry if I missed it, do you need a degree to get hired at Envoy?

Thanks

No, but it is good to have.

A few days ago my fo told me he had used all his hotel rooms by the night of the sixth. I'm sure he wishes he had a crash pad

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Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot (Post 2395898)

A few days ago my fo told me he had used all his hotel rooms by the night of the sixth. I'm sure he wishes he had a crash pad

If you are brand new doing airport standby, or so junior on reserve you can't bid any open trip at all you will use up your commuter hotels. Most everybody else has ditched their crashpads. That's fact, and is a huge pay raise itself.