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Skyvector 04-03-2016 05:14 PM

Another ag386 account. Big surprise...

AdiosMikeFox 04-03-2016 06:02 PM

There's a big difference between contractual profit sharing and profit sharing as non-precedent setting largesse.

Another thought about the flow - don't forget about those few hundred super-senior types that tried to inject themselves in the flow recently. Expect several to opt in after the list has been gone through. Remember, they start at the top again after they get to #824 and start the PP group.

Eaglepilot84 04-03-2016 06:54 PM

Sorry you've had such a bad time dfwguy. I never claimed that this place was rainbows or unicorns, but it's FAR from a horrible place to work. No, it's not like the original American Eagle. Get over it and move on, I have.

Enjoy AA, maybe you will be happy there. Or maybe not. Probably not actually.

SayAlt 04-03-2016 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by dfwguy (Post 2102408)
Envoy isn't the real American Eagle and it sure isn't some happy place like you are trying to make it out to be.

I have to be honest and say this place sucks. Worse than it ever has since the day I was hired.

If you didn't get the picture above, life here is just about awful. The company could fix it but they never have before and they won't this time either.


Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2102417)
Hmmm... another long time listener, first time poster with the same message.


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 2102424)
Another ag386 account. Big surprise...


Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84 (Post 2102490)
Sorry you've had such a bad time dfwguy. Get over it and move on.

Enjoy AA, maybe you will be happy there. Or maybe not. Probably not actually.





Obviously, Parker's APC mafia enforcers and mgmt shills are willing to strike down even their own who don't tow the company's new hire sales pitch. As sad as it is predictable. Do you guys get paid by the post/thread?

TrinityDawn 04-03-2016 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84 (Post 2102490)
Sorry you've had such a bad time dfwguy. I never claimed that this place was rainbows or unicorns, but it's FAR from a horrible place to work. No, it's not like the original American Eagle. Get over it and move on, I have.

Beat your employees down enough, and eventually their expectations will be lowered. That describes Parker's American perfectly.

Threaten the jobs of the most vocal union reps, and they drastically change their tune.

Tell your management pilots to become social media salesmen, spinning in just enough half-truths and positive conjecture to blind potential new hires.

And management wonders why no one wants to become an airline pilot anymore.

ag386 04-04-2016 02:27 AM


Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 2102512)
Obviously, Parker's APC mafia enforcers and mgmt shills are willing to strike down even their own who don't tow the company's new hire sales pitch. As sad as it is predictable. Do you guys get paid by the post/thread?

I'm not surprised. The Envoy Patrol will eat their own if what someone says doesn't align with their interests.

Let's just see how those new hire classes stack up throughout the year and evaluate again. If they get close to their target numbers, then I'll admit I'm flat wrong. I just don't think there are enough even if Envoy got ALL new hires available.

FirstClass 04-04-2016 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2101060)
One last time

Both you and eaglefly should go read all the old threads. The math has been explained repeatedly already. The math hasn't changed, in spite of common core.

All those old threads have long been debunked in your absence. The math doesn't add up hence why we are always reliving this topic.

I think it is obvious though that if Envoy can't hire the 40 pilots per month needed to support the flow numbers you are projecting (again projecting, let's not forget envoy pilots flowing today are 16 year employees), then the flow falls apart. Do you agree that Envoy pilots cannot all flow to American leaving Envoy with 0 pilots?

ag386 04-04-2016 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2102619)
All those old threads have long been debunked in your absence. The math doesn't add up hence why we are always reliving this topic.

I think it is obvious though that if Envoy can't hire the 40 pilots per month needed to support the flow numbers you are projecting (again projecting, let's not forget envoy pilots flowing today are 16 year employees), then the flow falls apart. Do you agree that Envoy pilots cannot all flow to American leaving Envoy with 0 pilots?

I'm afraid you aren't going to get anything out of the Cuj other than the typical company drivel, i.e. 2.5/6, everybody flows, Envoy has a great contract, it's a great time to be an Envoy pilot, etc.

My feeling is that he will totally brush off and not even address the question regarding the need for new hires as do all of those on the Envoy sales team do here. Probably because management has instructed them to do so.

FlameNSky 04-04-2016 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 2102512)
Obviously, Parker's APC mafia enforcers

SkyWest Pilot


Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2102573)
I'm not surprised.

Allegiant Pilot, or it is Piedmont, what was your last lie again?


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2102619)
I think it is obvious though that if Envoy can't hire the 40 pilots per month

PSA pilot, how is your hiring going?



I am sure glad that I don't spend as much time thinking about your companies as you guys spend thinking about mine.

SayAlt 04-04-2016 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2102988)

I am sure glad that I don't spend as much time thinking about your companies as you guys spend thinking about mine.

(sniffle)

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/62821286.jpg


Not "thinking" about your company per se, sweetheart. Rather, people like you, lying to NEWBs for your own personal gain and career progression, starting thread after thread to lure them into a chithole so you can get out of it.


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