What are they hiring on to and what base currently. Dallas resident hoping for some Embraer product in DFW.

It's just the 16 years getting there that sucks.

According to jetnet if you haven't received your new uniform or alterations you can wear the old uniform but you cannot mix match the uniforms or wings ..start date is still Sept 20

I am not wanting to be a troll with these questions, I just want to be educated about Envoy's culture. Perhaps the best people to answer these questions are the ones that have left Mesa for Envoy. What is your training department like? Some of my Envoy buddies get very nervous when they go in for re-current, where as Mesa seems more like a three day PHX vacation, get to see old friends, etc. Mesa's check airmen are all extremely fair, doing their job, but not actively looking to fail people unless they really have no choice. Is Envoy the same way? Or do you guys have some that seem like they are trying to fill a quota? How is your management and chief pilots? At Mesa, our chief pilots are great and do everything they can to help out the pilots. The old addage of "It's best that the Chief doesn't know who I am is a good thing" does not apply. Our management is hands off on the pilot group. What's yours like?

different people, different stories. was great at one time. then they went to a very long period of enjoying busting people. we are now in the termination phase for intimidation purposes.

if I am wrong, I know there will be someone here to correct me. But that is what I know.

The days of antagonistic training are long gone. Those dudes flowed or retired.

5 years, but I commend your efforts on spreading misinformation.

Of course the longer you stay at RAH, the longer your hypothetical time to flow from the current date. Good luck!

5 years? So the guys flowing now have been there 5 years? Let me check with my buddies who are still there when we got hired 5 years ago, pretty sure they have still yet to even upgrade...

Ok, real talk...and this time I'm serious:










ENVOY IS HIRING!!!!!!!

Going sterile? Is that you?!

All of my friends there have been FO's for at least five years. Don't believe any of them have upgraded yet.

upgrade I believe is reaching 8th year.

2010 hires are going to training in the next month or 2.... 6 is not great but it's not 8.

2013 hires are within 400 of the upgrade. If we are able to send 40 a month then within a year the upgrade will be 4 years and shrinking.

Sounds like you've done nothing to deserve that job you are talking about. What do pilots like you do to earn your way into a job at AA, sorry I just don't understand, new to this game though.

I wish that was how the world worked. But it isn't.

I've done everything to earn the job I'm talking about. The beauty of it is, I don't have to. Sounds like you are new to the game...in the airline business, you are rewarded for your seniority-- not your merits. If I were rewarded for everything I have contributed to this company, and the safe travel I have given to my passengers, I, like the majority of my coworkers, would have been promoted long ago. Seniority it everything. Get in early.

I would say it's earned....spent upwards of 70,000+ on training most fought to build hour to get hired at an airline. Then you bust your tail taking care of your mainline partners or wholly owned carriers passengers and performance and everything in between I'd say yea flows a good thing!!! But hey if you wanna pay $500 and up to go stand in line for 6 hours to talk to a recruiter for 10 min go for it. There will always be those who do it the smart way and the other way!

Short-sighted mathematics like your own have been addressed multiple times. Current flow time≠new hire flow time.

And since there person who posted "16 years" works at rah, they are clearly only concerned with new hire time to flow.

Seniority is everything. Esp for a new hire, and those considering Envoy as their #2 & #3 choice, may now consider Envoy as their #1 choice with this pay bump. Envoy is a safe choice.

Seriously, AWC, Mesa pilots should consider jumping ship... regional shuffle. Envoy, could be very last interview. QOL & mgmt relationship issues are being handled by union. Endeavor had worst problems with Delta Mgmt not even 2yrs ago.

We must always realize a Regionals is not a career destination. Get in get out

^^^^+10 ^^^^

I have no doubt that Mesa is about to lose a lot of FO's to Envoy

Looking forward to fly with "going sterile"...

Just got an email saying Envoy first year FO pay is going up to $37.60. Interesting.

So, the new pay scheme has been approved by the MEC. Does it now go out for a pilot group vote, or is this signed, sealed and delivered?

Unfortunately, I don't think we get to vote on it. If we do, I'll vote NO. I can see how this will help get new hires, but it won't keep anyone from leaving.
If they would give us 12 days off, fix reserve and improve the schedules, they would stop the bleeding overnight.

2nd year FO

If they were serious about fixing this place, they would fix the schedules. However, until they do that I'll gladly take more money until I flow.


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6.5 years here. My upgrade class doesn't start for 2 months.

First off, the pay raises are not up for vote. We should take them even though QOL is not fixed. The pay bumps should help new hires to commit to Envoy. As far as retention goes, fixing schedules would go much further in retaining pilots. Most that are looking to leave want relief from 11days off, long monthly transition stretches, poor cadence (4 on 2 off- moving days off), and inefficient/uncommutable trips.

Don't forget the horrible reserve rules. In fact the judge was suppose to hand down his judgment at the end of August about automatic RAP1. All quite on the western front from ALPA.

...all true, if the company fixed our schedules today, then the majority would be complaining about pay rates!!!

As they should complain. Schedules stink pay rates stink benefits stink.

Yes! A simple reserve fix is long overdue. I will be asking my rep about the result of the Rap 1 pre assignment ruling.

Things could always be better at Envoy. There will always be something to improve upon. Still searching for the perfect airline to fit my lifestyle. Pretty sure it doesn't exist.

It's called "Being Rich"

It's an arbitrator and they do as they please. Don't like it? It's unwise to **** off the person in control of your future. You wait patiently and smile.

IF they can get hired.

QUIT

...youll be much happier, I'm hoping!

Does Envoy let you pick which aircraft? If so which is the best choice for schedule flexibility and the ability to do a lot of flying? And I think new hires are going to ORD. Could they ever switch to DFW if they wanted to in the future?

To a point. If you want the 145 or CRJ you should be able to get it fairly easy. CRJ is only based in ORD. 145 is based in DFW and ORD. Most likely ORD but DFW is not out of the question. The 175 is only based in DFW. Word of caution: You'll move up quicker in seniority on the 145 and CRJ because most of the people upgrading/flowing are on those fleets. With the expected hiring wave, DFW should be fairly easy to get. It's a good time to join Envoy, or any WO'd.

Can anyone tell me how long the ATP-CTP course at CAE in DFW is? Is it a leave on Sunday return on Friday course, or is it a full week? Thanks.

Show me one pilot who has flowed at 5 years and I'll give you my paycheck. You give me a dollar for every pilot I name who has flowed at 16 years. Want to guess who will be paying who?