Envoy
 

Starting a new thread as the old one has empty pages at the end and it's time to let hundreds of posts of bickering fall off the front page. I'll start with a little positive news - we've got flows going to AA at a higher rate than for the last several months. The last letter T class was on 9/6, the 9/20 class is full of flows as well as an October 5(?) class. I'm not sure of the total count, but the selections on the flow election page came pretty fast.

Has the Luftwaffe lowered their minimums yet? This Mesa captain wants to join

Sorry, I meant standards

I don't believe we have, sorry

Are you saying you couldn't get hired if we kept the same standards? That's not a very flattering thing to say about yourself.

What can a new hire expect for an upgrade time at Envoy?

6-7 years, more or less.

16 new hires today.

We need them.

Just remember, you can't upgrade until there are enough FO's hired behind you. At this point, with attrition of both Captains and FO's, it will take years for Envoy to hire enough FO's to allow a new hire to upgrade.

So, 5-6 years is really the minimum upgrade time based on the number of new hires.

I strongly disagree. New hire numbers have steadily increased.

Not really. The number of available pilots is decreasing and the other airlines are increasing compensation. The WO'd are seriously lacking.

Do you work for envoy? Just curious.

"daOldMan" does NOT work for Envoy, hasn't even ever pretended he does. Yet he always incorrectly answers questions pertaining to Envoy. Interesting.

The other two WO'd might be lacking, but Envoy seems to be hiring. We had 42 new hires last month. 16 so far in September. Just made aware it's actually 17 for the day. An upgrade may not happen in two years but 3 is completely possible at this point. New hires will go to wherever the quickest movement is... If things keep moving like this, I will see an upgrade in the next two years and that will be 3 years for me. I'm completely okay with that as it would be the same as Skywest, RAH, etc.

Envoy did not hire that many last month. The email had misleading numbers as I recall

42... Filler

Nope, we had 42 total. the first class was 11, then 15, and then 16.

We had 3 classes in the month so the numbers are inflated but we did have 42. If we get 15+ a class envoy should be in a fine position.

Are all of the new hires going to the E140/E145 and CRJ-700?
E175 must be loaded up on pilots right?

I know new hires get base of choice...but can they pick airframe as well? I'm hoping by time I apply I can get DFW E140/E145.

The latest class was all ORD. No E-175 slots and no DFW slots at all. Airframe split was 6 CRJ-700 and 10 E-145.

Oh wow. So they assign bases and airframe now?
Can those say CRJ pilots get DFW E145? Is that part of the seniority and bidding program?

Why does Envoy attract more new hires than the other WO'ds if bonus and pay are comparable? Is it the bases, EJET, or something else?

envoy charm, they dont use large sand granules.

Personally they attract me for its DFW base. E140/E145 and future E175s. The sign on bonus. I plan to go to Aerosim...so tuition reimbursement is great. Guarenteed flow with no additional interview.
Who else can offer these benefits?

By the time you get to class it might be a different enviroment. They did offer bases and planes for couple of months.

But the company needs to balance the amount of pilots between bases. It wouldn't surprise me if they won't offer DFW for a couple of months until they have the people required to keep ORD working.

Jland, what are your current flight times? Are you close?

Or just mix it up send some to ORD and some to DFW. That is a possibility as well. With the way things are going however, if you get E145 ORD you should be able to transfer back to DFW fairly quick.

Do you have factual numbers to prove Envoy numbers are decreasing?????? Or is that you POV?

No shots, just that folks on here say anything often enough as if facts from union leaders & or Mgmt, or Envoy pilots, but are not. So then, new bloods like me find it hard to differentiate facts from BS..

Hope the purpose of the forum thread serves the demands/requests by the OP.

Hope this does not become another trashy thread with salty folks wishing Envoy fail, and falls, and becomes a disaster just so they can feel like they were right all along w/ "Ah-ha! Told you!"

As you know, our ability to attract new pilots to Envoy is critical to our continued success. It enables us to compete for additional flying and allows us to provide swifter career progression for our First Officers and flow-through to American for our Captains.

That’s why I’m excited to announce that tomorrow we will present a proposal to the ALPA Envoy MEC that will position our airline as a leader in the regional industry:

· Increased starting pay for new hire pilots, increasing their pay rates to industry-leading levels along with a retention bonus.



· Increased pay for existing First Officers, in parity with new hire pilots pay rates and extending the retention bonus to pilots hired since the previous agreement.



· Captain retention bonus, for those already on the path to flow-through to American.

American has shown that they will award increased flying to the regional carriers who are able to reliably perform it. So it is imperative that we continue to do everything possible to attract and retain the caliber of pilots that Envoy is known for.

Thanks for all you do to ensure Envoy remains the premier carrier for American.


Best Regards,

Ric

Get your popcorn ready!

Show me the money!
 

September 12, 2016

Fellow Envoy Pilots,

After months of advocating for improved economics for all Envoy pilots, I’m pleased to report that tomorrow we expect to receive a draft proposal from management that would raise the compensation bar for both Captains and First Officers. Throughout the upcoming hours and days, the MEC will engage with management to flesh out the details and bring forward the best package possible.

The timing for this is excellent, as AAG has asked Envoy to send up to 40 flows a month starting early next year, a number well above our current meter of 30 per month. However, exceeding the meter will only be feasible if hiring is robust. I do not believe this is outside the realm of possibility. By combining our industry leading flow-through, the enhanced pilot compensation, and coupling the QOL improvements that the MEC continues to push for; these necessary steps will reinforce the belief that new hires will find working for Envoy the best possible career choice.

The pilots of Envoy have proven capable of getting the job done, and your MEC leaders have led the charge – both public and private – to ensure you are rewarded for your efforts.

We will transmit more details as they become available.

Fraternally,

Sam Pool
Envoy MEC Chairman

Need some helpful info.

What is reserve time like on CRJ 700 (ORD)? Is it better than E145 (ORD)? Are schedule pairing better on the -700?

If given a choice and would not mind deciding to live in ORD, would you choose the -700 or E145?

Optimistically trying to make Lemonade with lemon choices i've been given.

40 a month? Well, considering past performance they'll say 40 but do 30, which is more than the 25 we're used to.

As long as the number keeps going up. JMO.

If you want ORD the 145 or CRJ will be available to you no questions asked. They were offering bonuses earlier in the year to just take Chicago. If you want Dallas get the 145 or 175. Schedules are not great for commuters on either chicago airplane, but if you live in base they aren't that bad. I'd personally go with the 145 because the CRJs may go away and I wouldn't want to live in Chicago lose my airplane and have to do another training cycle in DFW.

What ever happened to Eaglefly and all his alter-egos? It's so quiet on APC these days. Surely he would have had some highly annoying means of spinning all this positive news as doom and gloom.

Reserve times have been varying from 6-12 months for both fleets. The CRJ has longer stage lengths available which makes for better pairings but it seems to be doing a lot more E145 type trips as they up gauge equipment. The shorter reserve time over the last few years has favored the E145 but I've seen the CRJ come out ahead on multiple occasions over the years.

Having been on both the CRJ was a much better experience from a performance and noise perspective. Even given the future uncertainty of the fleet it's a more enjoyable plane.

EXCITING!!!!! Thanks for the post. P.s. But why not let the past die.... Please, no need spark fire or bring lazarius back.

Do you have long call out? I live in IAH are trips commutable same day?