Originally Posted by LongTimeListenr (Post 2243896)

A lot of what ifs and hypotheticals in there.

"Our flow will increase". Yea...because you said so, or because "they're going to have to sooner or later". We've heard it all before. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by LongTimeListenr (Post 2243896)

A lot of what ifs and hypotheticals in there.

"Our flow will increase". Yea...because you said so, or because "they're going to have to sooner or later". We've heard it all before. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by PSA help (Post 2243779)

Delta loves to hire PSA pilots. We have sent more to Delta than AA in the last few months.

Originally Posted by pagey (Post 2243907)

Ahh, no. It will increase because an increase is contained in the LOA. For every 63(?) captains we gain one slot at AA. With 30+ acft still to come at PSA there is no way the flow will not increase.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2243932)

Huh? Our flow increasing is part of an LOA.

That's quite the misleading statement since it's contingent upon your staffing numbers changing. Smoke and mirrors as y'all continue to gloss over the fact that it's not a guarantee.


We're filling 2 classes /month well into the new year. No reason I can see why it won't. We still have some of the most growth left of any regional around today.

I suppose time will tell. But until then....you're still at the slower flow.

Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2244076)

So doesn't matter which way he goes it will be fine.

I would say go with the easiest commute. Been here 6yrs and being Jmanned only 3 times and 2 of them I was able to get out of it without issues.

Originally Posted by LongTimeListenr (Post 2244096)

Absolutely has to happen, right? I suppose it would be unfortunate if those -900s ended up being brought in as -200s were retired or parked. That would through a very ugly wrench into that projection. :eek:

Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2243629)

Much has been made on this board about schedules at Envoy. I have to be honest. It's LARGELY EXAGGERATED! There are a few anti Envoy types here that are constantly posting anything bad about the company possible and that includes schedules.

I will admit though that there are issues with a few of the sequences. However, these should affect very few pilots and not on every single sequence. As has been posted ad nauseum here, the issues lie in the flight file that is assigned to Envoy by AAG. The lack of midday flying has been one of the central issues Envoy has faced in the past year.

Expect anything that is an issue to improve in January or February as AAG is expected to add midday flying to the Envoy package.

After saying all of that, you are still going to flow to American. And you are going to flow faster than PSA or PDT. These three carriers are the only no interview and automatic flow in the industry. Envoy's flow percentages and contract language are far superior to PSA and PDT as well. If you want AA, then Envoy is where you want to be.

Originally Posted by VFRrequest (Post 2244373)

"When you add up Envoy’s increased signing bonus"

Envoy boosts industry-leading starting pay to $60,000! | Envoy Air

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2244212)

That's why they are getting major engine overhauls and new interiors...

Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2244445)

22,100$ on day one..... shocking they increased it so quickly.

PSA also doing this?

Originally Posted by BizJet (Post 2244497)

I could pay off a little over 50% of my students loans with the roughly 15/20% tax taken off.

Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2244445)

22,100$ on day one..... shocking they increased it so quickly.

PSA also doing this?

Originally Posted by NMuir (Post 2244498)

Explain please? :confused:

Originally Posted by BizJet (Post 2244534)

$22,100 * .20 (assuming 20% tax) = $17,680 ($4,420 is tax)

I could pay off roughly 50% of my student loan with that amount.

Originally Posted by Dubz (Post 2244531)

Looks like all 3 bumped bonuses up in order to make 1st year pay 60K.

Originally Posted by Dubz (Post 2244531)

Looks like all 3 bumped bonuses up in order to make 1st year pay 60K.

Originally Posted by Upntheair27 (Post 2244566)

Before PSA was claiming $58000 with a 20,000K sign on bonus, now its 60K with only 21,000K bonus. Arent we missing a thousand dollar bill in there somewhere?

Originally Posted by JayBee (Post 2244574)

don't worry about details and reading the contract - just sign here

Originally Posted by BizJet (Post 2244534)

$22,100 * .20 (assuming 20% tax) = $17,680 ($4,420 is tax)

I could pay off roughly 50% of my student loan with that amount.

Originally Posted by MaCrOs (Post 2244581)

Bonuses are taxed at flat rate of 25%

Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 2244585)

not trying to be disingenuous here but having several offers on my table is making it hard to decide and....

what i can't shake from my mind is if it was such a good place to work than why do they have to throw big bonuses at you (envoy or psa) ?

every time i think that previous thought I think of that movie Tommy Boy where Chris Farley says "if you want me to poop in a box and write guaranteed on it...."

also, i keep thinking about how American Eagle got screwed on the flow

i don't know, as i said not trying to be disingenuous here having hard time deciding what is best for me

Originally Posted by Upntheair27 (Post 2244566)

Before PSA was claiming $58000 with a 20,000K sign on bonus, now its 60K with only 21,000K bonus. Arent we missing a thousand dollar bill in there somewhere?

Originally Posted by Dubz (Post 2244592)

The press release says "over $21000". Looking at the three websites Piedmont's breaks it down to 38.8 (salary) + 16.2 (sign on) + 5 (121 experience bonus); PSA's states "can receive over $21,000 immediately"; and Envoy's says "receive up to $22,100 sign-on bonus on your first day."

That would lead my untrained eye to believe that they wanted to tout 60K 1st year FO pay across the board and like the previous examples... what one gets they all get.

Has Envoy dropped the 121 experience requirement for the 5K? Neither Envoy or PSA gave a specific breakdown that I could find.

Originally Posted by havick (Post 2244594)

No previous 121 time required at all at Envoy for the full bonus. The 5k is simply if you take a legacy type as opposed to the 175. So if you take the 145 or CRJ you'll get the whole 22k.

Originally Posted by PSA help (Post 2244537)

Paying off high interest loans will save you a TON of money in the long run!

Originally Posted by havick (Post 2244587)

Either way, the longer you wait to make your decision to get into a class, you're doing yourself a disservice by losing seniority at whichever carrier you decide to go with as others join ahead of you at 50/month.

Originally Posted by NMuir (Post 2244604)

Except that Sallie Mae applies extra payments to interest, not principle :mad:

Originally Posted by Dubz (Post 2244592)

The press release says "over $21000". Looking at the three websites Piedmont's breaks it down to 38.8 (salary) + 16.2 (sign on) + 5 (121 experience bonus); PSA's states "can receive over $21,000 immediately"; and Envoy's says "receive up to $22,100 sign-on bonus on your first day."

That would lead my untrained eye to believe that they wanted to tout 60K 1st year FO pay across the board and like the previous examples... what one gets they all get.

Has Envoy dropped the 121 experience requirement for the 5K? Neither Envoy or PSA gave a specific breakdown that I could find.

Originally Posted by PiedmontFlyer (Post 2244655)

envoy
$37,900 base pay + $17,100 signing bonus + $5,000 (if you fly CRJ or E145) = $60,000

PSA
$38,480 base pay + $16,520 signing + $5,000 (if you have CRJ type rating) = $60,000

Piedmont
$38,800 base pay + $16,200 signing + $5,000 (if you have any Part 121 experience) = $60,000

Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 2244585)

not trying to be disingenuous here but having several offers on my table is making it hard to decide and....

what i can't shake from my mind is if it was such a good place to work than why do they have to throw big bonuses at you (envoy or psa) ?

every time i think that previous thought I think of that movie Tommy Boy where Chris Farley says "if you want me to poop in a box and write guaranteed on it...."

also, i keep thinking about how American Eagle got screwed on the flow

i don't know, as i said not trying to be disingenuous here having hard time deciding what is best for me

Originally Posted by BizJet (Post 2244695)

By that logic it's

Envoy
Pro: Commuting, full bonus
Con: Reserve Length, contract violations, lifer top heavy

PSA
Pro: Reserve length, SAP, senior line holder at around a year
Con: Commuting, smaller bonus, Most likely will have to move

So it's leaning towards PSA just for the QOL of reserve and line holding.

Originally Posted by PiedmontFlyer (Post 2244655)

envoy
$37,900 base pay + $17,100 signing bonus + $5,000 (if you fly CRJ or E145) = $60,000

PSA
$38,480 base pay + $16,520 signing + $5,000 (if you have CRJ type rating) = $60,000

Piedmont
$38,800 base pay + $16,200 signing + $5,000 (if you have any Part 121 experience) = $60,000

Originally Posted by PiedmontFlyer (Post 2244655)

envoy
$37,900 base pay + $17,100 signing bonus + $5,000 (if you fly CRJ or E145) = $60,000

PSA
$38,480 base pay + $16,520 signing + $5,000 (if you have CRJ type rating) = $60,000

Piedmont
$38,800 base pay + $16,200 signing + $5,000 (if you have any Part 121 experience) = $60,000