I sit reserve and have credited over 100 hrs the last few months and I've probably been away from home 10 nights total. I reduce my days off to min by doing that but I also rarely fly overnights on reserve. I'm not junior on reserve though. However, the reason I do this is because lines are absolutely atrocious. I don't know why anyone who lives local would bid a 4 on 2 off line when you can make it through an entire month on reserve without doing a single 4 day. ( And pick up 200% OT on off days if you choose to do that).

TL;DR I bid reserve, pick up OT, reduce to 8 days off. Avoid overnights on reserve, sleep at home in my own bed 20+ nights a month. Lines are horrible, 4 on 2 off unless you're really senior. Best way to increase QOL here when the company won't do anything to help improve it which is sad.

Envoy still has the leather jacket.

Is that how it is for all of the WO?

I know (first hand) of a Senior AA Captain who got benched for a month because he did not have his hat on.

Really? Hats are optional at American.

I guess they were not back then.. this was decades ago.

Totally relevant.

How many hours a month are you blocking?

What's the fleet plan for PDT? How many 145's are they getting?

That senior captain lied, or he was refering to something he heard at another carrier. Back in the old days of $350,000-$400,000/yr senior captains, probable. That generation is long gone.

Takes a serious "incident" to get an old geezer captain benched while its under review.

At the end of 2017, we will have 31 ERJ145s, 4-6 DHC8-100s, and all of our DHC8-300s. Jet deliveries will continue in 2018 at 2-3/month and the remaining 100s will be retired. Don't know when the 300s will be retired.

20-40. It works for me right now, if the 200% goes away then this doesn't work. Just a way of getting by right now with a decent QOL/Paycheck when 4 on 2 off is the norm for someone whos seniority can't hold a line with more than 11-12 days off. I don't get much per diem but that sure beats two days off between 4 day trips.


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The number they are throwing around in CLT is 80 140s/145s. The official word is "as many as we can possibly staff."

I think you are going to need to hire a lot more than you are now to get to 80 jets.

Envoy hired what...about 90 this month?!?! You hired 20?

I think that shows where the jets are going to stay.

Piedmont also has to train all current Dash pilots on the E145, so it's controlled growth. I continue to wonder why the envoy pilots (recruiters?) feel the need to trash other WOs and make crap up. Really guys? Aren't we all in pretty good shape at this point? Worry about your own situation. Piedmont is just fine.

90 new hires out of 1900 total Pilot is how many % ? And what's 25 out of 490?

Let's just agree that all WOs have their pros and cons.

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You're just going to confuse the old man now.

You know it is true. Unless you start really hiring pilots, and Envoy stops hiring pilots, the 145's are going to stay at Envoy.

If Envoy were really going to shrink and lose the 145's, then why are they hiring so many pilots? They should be slowing hiring if they are shrinking, not increasing it.

You know you don't just flip a switch and suddenly have the infrastructure in place to quadruple hiring overnight, right?

If that were the case then why is American transferring Envoy's 700s to PSA? The 700 is no more a common type than the 145 and 175. It's pretty clear that AAG wants to streamline the WOs with one aircraft type per certificate.

Yes. So why are they paying the management, training department, and all of the other expenses of 2 airlines to fly the same 50 seat jet? Why are they not spinning down PDT and just rolling them into Envoy?

Um just to make it clear he isn't an Envoy pilot. Yes you are going to be just fine. But, to be fair they aren't the only ones making things up. We Envoy pilots give a very realistic projection of flow time while PDT over states their five year flow Ponzi scheme. Pretty soon pilots are going to realize that the fast flow to AA is a pipe dream for all WO.

But to answer your last question yes we are all doing just fine. And just a heads up da old man likes to toss out passive aggressive questions around to all regionals.

Because there are still benefits (though deminished) of keeping the certificates separate. Envoy seems to still be getting wound down. The 700s are being sent to PSA and the 145s to Piedmont. Maybe Envoy gets more 175s, maybe they don't. Who knows at this point what the plan is. I do know that the non-WOs will slowly have their Eagle branded flying reduced and that flying will shift to the WOs. I think TSA's 145 flying will end up at Piedmont and eventually Republic's 175 flying at Envoy and perhaps some of Mesa's 900s at PSA.

He isn't one of ours! (At least I don't think that he is). I am guessing either former WO pilot of some sort, or a riddle kid on his computer.

I got the impression he did from his post. DaOldMan who do you fly for?

He likes to bash PDT quite a bit.

I always thought he was one of yours...

The 145s are staying at Envoy for awhile. Fleet plan shows around 100 or more 145s staying until 2020+.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, daOldMan shows up and throws out some absolute garbage idea, but phrases it as a question. Usually gets called on it, and doesn't show back up for a couple days when his steaming pile of garbage post is already buried.


But to those saying that the 145s are staying at Envoy, what say you about the ones PDT is taking delivery of every month? We are all literally watching planes doing the exact opposite of what you're saying. I believe contractually, the next 20 (maybe 40?) ejets AA gets delivered have to go to Envoy. I think it would make sense to offload some 145s and take delivery of new ejects, no? Regardless, none of the WO are in bad shape, contrary to the steaming pile of garbage that is daOldMan

It is pretty easy to see what is going on. They are seeing other Reginals winding down and unable to meet their contractual obligations so they are offering huge bonuses so AA will have constant supply to their regional feed. .

It is a solution to a problem they aren't paying out the bonus because they want to.

They will never fold the WO into one because we are all union and this would give the pilots too much power.

It is cheaper to streamline the WO which you see going on now. Every WO class will be full from now on with new people coming in and smart pilots who are transferring from dying regionals to put them in position to get hired at a major who are retiring pilots by the THOUSANDS in the next few years. You already see it in PSA who have more pilots leaving for majors than flow transfers.

We don't even operate 100 E45 today; today we operate around 75 E45 and that number is due to shrink over the next 12 months and beyond.

If you call opening a new base that was once closed and hiring approximately 70ish pilots per month and offering $22,000 signing bonuses along with retention bonuses; not to mention flowing 30ish per month to AA and a decreasing upgrade time, being "wound down" I guess you're right...hahaha

I'm not saying all is great at Envoy but your definition and the worlds definition of "wound down" seems to be drastically different.