Originally Posted by Smutter (Post 2259177)

The last award has yr 6 guys starting on April, and they're the bottom 4, So no it's not 4 it's 6

Originally Posted by Shiner (Post 2259171)

I was scrolling through a lot of the other AA WO threads and thought I'd throw a question out for debate:

Why is Envoy hiring so many?

In January PDT starts taking 2 or 3 145's per month.

In March/April PSA is rumored to be resuming the CRJ transfers at a rate of 2 or 3 per month.

Envoy has the 14 or so 175 deliveries taking until June and 19 145's returning from ExpressJet. However, if they start hiring 70+ per month, the list will start to grow while the fleet shrinks, even with 50 people leaving per month through attrition.

Are they just stockpiling pilots and will worry about the fleet later? Could more 175's be announced? Will the TSA or Compass birds go to Envoy?

I'm curious to hear what the peanut gallery on APC thinks...


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Originally Posted by criticalaoa (Post 2259178)

The guys from 2011? they are the bottom 4?

Originally Posted by moon (Post 2259182)

The most junior awarded upgrade was a 2011 hire starting training in 2017. That's a 6 year upgrade. Maybe closer to 5.5, but not 4. Not yet. I hope we see 4 in 2017 and think there's a good possibility but it's not here yet.

Originally Posted by criticalaoa (Post 2259183)

The reason why I said 4 is because I have being talking to few captain upgrades that were hired in 2011 and are in class at the moment.

Originally Posted by moon (Post 2259184)

Soon but not yet 16-11 is 5

Originally Posted by Jvw700 (Post 2259185)

Haha. Envoy hired that guy?!...

Originally Posted by criticalaoa (Post 2259187)

You so funny. We were told no new hires in 2012 and 2013... Hmmm

Originally Posted by Shiner (Post 2259145)

Big changes were made at AAG in October and we were told back then that improving the schedules for Envoy was a top priority. We were also told that it couldn't be done immediately and that it would take until at least January to see an improvement.

I've had a look at the preliminary lines for the ORD 145 and things are looking much better.

Average credit looks to be back above 80 hours, from December's average of 72. That's a 10% increase in a month where typically block hours go down.

Average days off also increased from 12.4 in December to 13.1 in January.

All these increases took place in a base where flying was reduced by 29 lines. I'm guessing the improvements in the DFW lines are even better.

I realize these numbers might not blow anyone away, but I think it's more evidence we are seeing a very dramatic shift from how we are valued by AAG. Hopefully this is just the beginning and the awful schedules are a thing if the past.



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