It wasn't the 12/4 that liquidation was threatened over. It was pay scale above 12 and overall rates. The company knows that 12/4 will never even be touched by either CA or FO due to the fact of the amped up flow.

You should try to change to a positive attitude like Injun and a few others. It could make a world of difference from this bitter world you are living in.

This thread is like daycare for Envoy pilots that don't get along and everybody has to be right. https://www.google.com/search?q=baby...19Ju2gFR1LM%3A

You just contradicted yourself. Try again please.

WOW. Another union chief abusing the system got fired?

Ha, I don't live in a bitter world, quite the opposite. I do, however, work for a management team with self-induced employee morale issues, who would rather lie to your face and violate agreements than lead by example or negotiate in good faith. I do my job well, I get along well with my coworkers, treat the passengers well, have a good family life. My only issue is you guys.

If the rates above 12 were the issue, and nobody would ever be above 12 again due to flow, then why make threats? If you truly assumed the flow would continue for the length of the agreement, you would have let us have snapback to the old rates if the flow hiccuped. That would have bought you some trust. But you wouldn't. And now you are flowing pilots to AA who will never forget what was done here. I truly believe it would be worth AAG's efforts to look at morale as a cost-saving measure. I also don't believe you guys are capable of that. Would love to be proven wrong.

By the way, your savings over the 10 year contract were less than 0.1% of one quarter of profits. Think about it: 1 year into an 8 year concessionary contract, the most profits made by any airline ever, simultaneous raises for management, threats to end it all if pilots don't take cuts while attempting to turn other employee groups against us, management antagonism, firing union leaders, contract violations, worst schedules ever, and then the cherry on top of you coming on here telling us to lighten up. You're really something.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Lines are out. One line in DFW EMJ has 15 days off. The rest of the lines are 14-11 days off. Rough guess it is about equal parts between 11-14 days off. Credit seems to have increased to the 80s on average. I haven't looked at the cadence yet but the improvements still seem to be missing.

I look forward to working with you. I don't want you to lighten up because I may not read something important you write and if you weren't on here it would mean you don't care.

Oh wow! Stellar improvements! I can't wait to tell the wifey!

Ok all you line pilots. I need some info and I'm hoping you can help. Can anyone tell me why recently, all of the classes only offer the CRJ out of ORD? Why is the 145 not offered? If it is offered for the Dec 19 class, which would YOU pick and why? The CRJ or the 145 out of ORD? ORDinary, I would like your take on this. I would be able to live in base at ORD so the 175 DFW simply isn't an option.