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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
(Post 2259898)
I'm in class on the 19th as well, and I couldn't be more excited to start. I started a a ramper and have worked my way through the ranks and into a good position in the industry. I had options just like everyone else when it came to which regional I would go to. Envoy was my number one choice, and that was even at the old pay rate. Republic didn't give me the warm fuzzy, neither did Piedmont. I wanted Envoy because I see increased potential here and that was important to me and to my family. Do I plan on waiting for the flow? As of now I don't know, but I do know that most of us do have common sense enough not to develop a "I've got my AA ticket and I'm just going to wait for my turn to board" attitude. If the flow works in my favor, well then great. If DL, 5Y, UA, or FX call first, then I will once again see what is best for myself and my family.
I make it a point to come out of my office at the airport and talk to the Envoy crews. We only get the ERJ at my airport, but it still gives me a chance to talk to the men and women who are out on the line. I'm taking a chance coming to a regional, leaving a government job with a pension, but this is my passion, and I don't think anyone with true passion will let the negative comments pull them down. I'm sure there are things that will suck, and we'll complain, but at the end of the day I'm making a livable wage and gaining experience patrolling the friendly skies. I'm excited to get to the schoolhouse and see how it all shakes out. This is exactly what I'm talking about. I could probably make a lot more money and I have a lot better schedule at my old job, but I want to do this. We are going to take those reserve lines and those flights that those senior to us do not want and they will stop complaining because we will be doing it. They have earned that right because they were before us and we will earn it because of those that come behind us. I can't wait to complain with you. I haven't even made my mind up yet if I want to leave the regional to go to a legacy. I don't know what the future has in store for me and I've never known. The only thing I do know is that when I bring my positive attitude with me it seems infectious. I know we can make this place work. I know someone that's been flying the line for a year or two is probably going to disagree with this and I hope that you do because I'm going to listen to what you have to say. The more that you tell me things are bad just makes me want to work harder to make it good. Pedro is probably not in the position to make it any better but we pilots are. And I think the flight attendants are as well. We aren't slaves from 500 years ago and we aren't caught up in a situation where we can't simply walk away. It's a free country and you do not have to work at this place if you don't want to. I'm going to come there and I'm going to do my best. But I welcome any and all and every criticism of what I'm saying because if you offer information and insight into my upcoming world. I was never a ramp or, I work in an industry where I could make a lot of money and not ever go to work. I am choosing to do this because it's who I am. I can't escape it. I also interviewed at Republic and didn't get the "warm fuzzies". I think there are some people who left and regret it and I also think there are some first officers who have been at the company for two or three years and are very angry about the bonuses. If I had been hired on two years ago I would feel the exact same way. But it's those bonuses that are bringing the new people so that you can make captain a lot quicker. Everything in this world is timing and it's my time to come aboard. It's also MD-11's Time to come aboard. We are ready willing and able to spend our time in the barrel. It might be longer than those that came before us and it might be shorter . All we can do is bring a positive attitude and do our best every single flight, so that is what we will do . |
Originally Posted by Dacuj
(Post 2259740)
What does it matter if you'll never top out on either scale because of upgrade and then flow?
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This thread just got amazing. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by injun21
(Post 2259876)
This is also good! So, should I go to Skw? You matter to me. You ARE being listened to. I hear you. My wife has read your response and we discuss this. Do you want me to go to Skywest? I am considering it. I want to come help you. I want to be JMed to you because it's my turn. In six months it will be someone else's turn, in six months after that, etc. etc. Your opinion matters You matter. I guess what I'm asking is do you want me to come work with you ?
He wants to be junior manned...that would almost be funny if I didn't know pilots that were having marital and family problems because they are never home anymore. |
Originally Posted by injun21
(Post 2259878)
I plan on keeping my resume current and applying to the legacies but Envoy has a lot of room to move up and get better and Skywest doesn't. I want to be in front of a large hiring curve and I see that with ENY and I don't see that with SKW. Every airline schedule sucks. My positive attitude is not for the benefit of the company, my positive attitude is for the benefit of me and my family. You are correct and your opinion matters. Maybe I can't improve the company, but I can improve myself and my family. All I can do is try, hopefully I get to fly with you and hopefully my smile rubs off on you. We are going to get stuck flying legs that we don't want to and we are going to get stuck in places away from our families when we're supposed to have days off. That is going to happen. if you and I privately are going to tell each other about our displeasure with our employer if you and I privately are going to tell each other about our displeasure with our employer. WE are not going to do that publicly. You might, but you will have to do it knowing that I am out there smiling and having a good time and making the best of a bad situation .
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Originally Posted by injun21
(Post 2259876)
This is also good! So, should I go to Skw? You matter to me. You ARE being listened to. I hear you. My wife has read your response and we discuss this. Do you want me to go to Skywest? I am considering it. I want to come help you. I want to be JMed to you because it's my turn. In six months it will be someone else's turn, in six months after that, etc. etc. Your opinion matters You matter. I guess what I'm asking is do you want me to come work with you ?
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Originally Posted by Dacuj
(Post 2259944)
It's great to hear someone who is excited about coming to Envoy and making a difference. Believe me, we need all of you we can get. Just ignore the naysayers here. They can't get over things from the past and see what a bright future we have here at Envoy. Once you get here, you will see there is no need to have even considered Skywest. The flow is absolutely real. Why wouldn't you come to a place where you are guaranteed a job with AA? I think it's silly not too and can't understand the people who go elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by injun21
(Post 2259911)
This is exactly what I'm talking about. I could probably make a lot more money and I have a lot better schedule at my old job, but I want to do this. We are going to take those reserve lines and those flights that those senior to us do not want and they will stop complaining because we will be doing it. They have earned that right because they were before us and we will earn it because of those that come behind us. I can't wait to complain with you. I haven't even made my mind up yet if I want to leave the regional to go to a legacy. I don't know what the future has in store for me and I've never known. The only thing I do know is that when I bring my positive attitude with me it seems infectious. I know we can make this place work. I know someone that's been flying the line for a year or two is probably going to disagree with this and I hope that you do because I'm going to listen to what you have to say. The more that you tell me things are bad just makes me want to work harder to make it good. Pedro is probably not in the position to make it any better but we pilots are. And I think the flight attendants are as well. We aren't slaves from 500 years ago and we aren't caught up in a situation where we can't simply walk away. It's a free country and you do not have to work at this place if you don't want to. I'm going to come there and I'm going to do my best. But I welcome any and all and every criticism of what I'm saying because if you offer information and insight into my upcoming world. I was never a ramp or, I work in an industry where I could make a lot of money and not ever go to work. I am choosing to do this because it's who I am. I can't escape it. I also interviewed at Republic and didn't get the "warm fuzzies". I think there are some people who left and regret it and I also think there are some first officers who have been at the company for two or three years and are very angry about the bonuses. If I had been hired on two years ago I would feel the exact same way. But it's those bonuses that are bringing the new people so that you can make captain a lot quicker. Everything in this world is timing and it's my time to come aboard. It's also MD-11's Time to come aboard. We are ready willing and able to spend our time in the barrel. It might be longer than those that came before us and it might be shorter . All we can do is bring a positive attitude and do our best every single flight, so that is what we will do .
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Recruiters are probably making huge amounts of money selling used cars. That's all they are selling NH. They help them get all the excitement and thrilled of purchasing that used Mercedes. Wait until the headaches come in and the cost to keep things running. Hope you all enjoy what you get for six years or more. All they did is to help Larry in the used lot get his bonus.
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Originally Posted by injun21
(Post 2259878)
I plan on keeping my resume current and applying to the legacies but Envoy has a lot of room to move up and get better and Skywest doesn't. I want to be in front of a large hiring curve and I see that with ENY and I don't see that with SKW. Every airline schedule sucks. My positive attitude is not for the benefit of the company, my positive attitude is for the benefit of me and my family. You are correct and your opinion matters. Maybe I can't improve the company, but I can improve myself and my family. All I can do is try, hopefully I get to fly with you and hopefully my smile rubs off on you. We are going to get stuck flying legs that we don't want to and we are going to get stuck in places away from our families when we're supposed to have days off. That is going to happen. if you and I privately are going to tell each other about our displeasure with our employer if you and I privately are going to tell each other about our displeasure with our employer. WE are not going to do that publicly. You might, but you will have to do it knowing that I am out there smiling and having a good time and making the best of a bad situation .
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