Originally Posted by nolav53 (Post 2259551)

Any updates on the reserve times? Moreover, how long can a new hire in 2017 expect to sit Reserve?

Originally Posted by nolav53 (Post 2259551)

Any updates on the reserve times? Moreover, how long can a new hire in 2017 expect to sit Reserve?

Originally Posted by Smutter (Post 2259535)

Curious, where does the first class fall that was told 2.5 and 5.5. aren't they at 3 yrs now. Keep believing the b.s. the recruiters tell ya.

Originally Posted by Smutter (Post 2259501)

Cr700 and dacuj are the same person. They should have zero credibility because of all their lies. Yet new hires will listen to them, because, well new hires still go to Mesa so I guess we know why they listen to them.

Cr700 and dacuj make many false statements and try to say it's a small minority that complain about the schedule, well you **** sticks come out to the line, that small minority is the the entire flying group. The reason January will be better every year, is because of reduced schedules, by time April, May, role around, they implode again and begin the, they'll be fixed in January speeches again.

To all new hires stop believing these two, yes we have some good things here, but Qol is better at every other regional. This company has no problem telling you life will suck here, but when you get to AA you'll be happy you did it. No you won't, Delta and united pilots have it much better, so after a year at AA you'll be mad again.

In the last two days dacuj has said 41 in class, really was only 28. Said upgrades were 4 years, nope, I said 6, I stand corrected, it's at 5 years and 10 months!! So yes it's 6. They say whatever they can to et you here. Think about it, you are coming to a company where the first yr. you work here is the most you'll make until you upgrade, meaning payouts, after yr 1. Those two will say you can make more, well not really we have 11 days off, do you want to work on your min days off, and if you get a line with 14 days off its at 72 credit hrs, so all that open time you pick up will bring you only to a normal line, now with 10days off. Why do we have pay scales capped at 4 and 12 if they're so confident in flow? How low does flow go after the 824?

Originally Posted by ju10489 (Post 2259588)

Something that most of you guys don't consider in your calculations is that the number of flow/month, after the protected pilot group have flowed, depends on the size of the company at the time. So basically if we grow, we'll send more pilots/month at AA.



Now what you are saying is true, those who will flow in 5 years, are already working for the company. But even if you flow after 8 years I think it is still a good deal.. In case you don't get hired somewhere else before that time. And things will probably change by then, if they can't get pilots, it will get better.



For those who are considering Envoy, take your ticket now, we have a lot of hiring and that's gonna create a lot of movement. You'll get a line/base you want/good line/good schedule very quickly. Nothing compared to those who are currently with the company. It's a pretty good time to join Envoy.



Though, avoid commuting for Envoy. I have to admit that commuting for this company is not worth it (unless if it's for a short period of time). The bad reserve rules, bad schedules as a junior guy and the junior mans (You'll start at a base where staffing is not great and you'll get JM often during transition as a bottom-of-the-list-guy) will make your life pretty miserable at the beginning if you have to commute.



The trend that I've seen since I got hired 1 year ago, is an overall improvement of the company. Still have a lot of work to do to say it's a great company, but I think in the long run it's worth it.



And to respond to the guy who said "I know a captain who's gonna quit after 10 years to go to Spirit". I haven't met one guy who wants to do that. So it's probably an exception in the company and definitely not the rule. Most of these guys are waiting for the flow and at the same time are applying to United/Delta/Southwest/Alaska(For those north-westereners). Even if life sucks for a lot of them, they know it's definitely worth it after all these years, to wait for AA at least.



Good luck with your decision

Originally Posted by Smutter (Post 2259501)

Cr700 and dacuj are the same person. They should have zero credibility because of all their lies. Yet new hires will listen to them, because, well new hires still go to Mesa so I guess we know why they listen to them.

Cr700 and dacuj make many false statements and try to say it's a small minority that complain about the schedule, well you **** sticks come out to the line, that small minority is the the entire flying group. The reason January will be better every year, is because of reduced schedules, by time April, May, role around, they implode again and begin the, they'll be fixed in January speeches again.

To all new hires stop believing these two, yes we have some good things here, but Qol is better at every other regional. This company has no problem telling you life will suck here, but when you get to AA you'll be happy you did it. No you won't, Delta and united pilots have it much better, so after a year at AA you'll be mad again.

In the last two days dacuj has said 41 in class, really was only 28. Said upgrades were 4 years, nope, I said 6, I stand corrected, it's at 5 years and 10 months!! So yes it's 6. They say whatever they can to et you here. Think about it, you are coming to a company where the first yr. you work here is the most you'll make until you upgrade, meaning payouts, after yr 1. Those two will say you can make more, well not really we have 11 days off, do you want to work on your min days off, and if you get a line with 14 days off its at 72 credit hrs, so all that open time you pick up will bring you only to a normal line, now with 10days off. Why do we have pay scales capped at 4 and 12 if they're so confident in flow? How low does flow go after the 824?

Originally Posted by Dacuj (Post 2259740)

What does it matter if you'll never top out on either scale because of upgrade and then flow?

Originally Posted by nolav53 (Post 2259551)

Any updates on the reserve times? Moreover, how long can a new hire in 2017 expect to sit Reserve?

Originally Posted by Dacuj (Post 2259740)

What does it matter if you'll never top out on either scale because of upgrade and then flow?

Originally Posted by thunder3915 (Post 2259509)

I have CJO from both Envoy and Skywest. Gotta say.... based on what I see here I'm thinking Skywest is the better option. :confused: