I'll answer the how long to upgrade on the E175 question next week. The latest vacancy bid with the new 175 base in ORD will be run on 10/11. As of right now, I believe the most JR awarded CA on the 175 in DFW is a December 2015 hire.

As far as seat locks, FOs cannot bid jet to jet. They are stuck on whatever equipment they get assigned to on day 1 until they upgrade or are displaced. Once you upgrade, you are seat locked for 2 years in terms of bidding different equipment. You are locked 6 months in terms of being able to flow to AA.

interesting APC says Jr E175 is April 2017. Also says you guys are getting 2 E175 per month So that would make a fleet bigger than CRJ.
If you need to wait 6 months to flow to AA what that means? i thought was taking over 6 years to go? Can you be more specific? is there a ways to go AA sooner?

We have a vacancy bid that is closing in the next couple of days. There is the potential that folks with the minimum 1000 121 and total time that started a little less then two weeks ago could receive the upgrade. There were 80 new captain slots on the 175 in ORD alone + lots of 145. Past historical upgrade times are no longer an indicator of future upgrade times due to the fact that senior FO's are holding out for certain captain slots. Previously upgrades were always 100% seniority based with a few outliers. Now it's personal decisions, which there isn't anyway to predict. So one vacancy it could hit rock bottom new hires, future vacancies it could ratchet up a bit as senior FOs elect to upgrade.

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True I hear you.
What's the criteria on equipment choice for a new hire? company needs or seniority?
Are you guys really getting E175 on a 2 per month basis?
If so how many are still coming? Or better saying how long will this continue to happen?

Answered above

The process for equipment choice for new hires just changed. On day 1 of class, the pilots that are in the Cadet program will choose equipment first, guys with prior 121 time will choose next starting with the guy with the most 121 time, the guys left after that will choose by age- oldest to youngest.

According to the conference call, the latest LOA that changed it from a 1 year seat lock for flow to a 6 month seat lock was only effective for this bid closing today. For future vacancy bids, it will still be a 1 year seat lock (I'm too lazy to actually look it up but I didn't want you getting screwed in the future having incorrect info).

That's correct. It's for this bid only.

Also I am pretty sure you're fully vested with your 401k after 3 years not 2.

Isn't EMJ the 175?

this is copy from APC regionals on Envoy

Most junior captain DOH:


DFW: Dec 2015 (E175), April 2017 (E145), April 2017 (EMJ)
ORD: Jan2011 (CRJ), Nov 2016 (E145)
LGA: April 2017 (E145), April 2017 (EMJ), April 2016 (E75)

EMJ is the Embraer 145.

seriously !!! one more lol
 

ok guy here it goes.
Is the flow really working? I mean they are not screwing you guys up are they?
And if so do you have to be a captain at Envoy already before migrating to AA? is that right?

Sorry my bad I research on google it says is EMbraer Jet a whole family so I thought it would be like the big ones that have more than one type but I forgot the 145 has 140 and 135 as well as the Legacy on the family.

Thanks for clarification

When AA runs classes we send 25 a month. When they aren’t hiring we send 0. We are supposed to have at least 50% of new hire spots, they are going to fall short of it this year. So it’s like the as seen on tv stuff. It works, but not as good as advertised. The problem with the flow now is, after the protected pilots, the amount that flow decreases and that is adding to the flow time, as the new hire classes are bigger.

Anyone have any insight on the MiA lines for next month, will they be up from October?

Flow is the lesser of the hard number or the percentage. If AA only takes 40 new hires in a month, we must send 20 flows per the contract. If they hire 60 new pilots, we must send 25 per the contract. Those are minimum numbers, and you can only count on mgmt to follow those. And after the Protected Pilots are done, the numbers adjust downward. Anything above that is gravy.

Also, there is no longer a need to upgrade to flow.

Bid closes today. The past two weeks had been a complete cluster in regards to the unions handling of this new bid. There has been nonstop misinformation that has been given out by the union. Questions still remain unanswered as to how the bid is going to work. With just days before the bid closes, the union is still putting out new information. Changes need to be made in the union.
For me this is the first time I thought they are actively working against the pilot group and helping the company get by with the status quo. Good luck to everyone.

This last email makes it sound like they will honor seniority and displace to where your seniority holds for FO to CA, but everything prior sounded like only displace into a vacant captain slot. Which is it?

With the pilot shortage now kind of becoming real do you think they will adjust the flow on a newer contract or get an LOA for the current one?
AA will probably have trouble getting pilots directly as well.

No. And AA will never have a problem getting pilots.

Exactly!!! There is NO reason to have a (proffer to displace). Absolutely none. The fact they are calling it a proffer to displace makes it confusing because it is NOT a proffer to displace. They can't displace ANYONE when the proffer to displace. They can only proffer to displace to a vacant position. Their ONLY needs a preference bid and displacement if you get pulled into the 15G4 pool. The secondary bid they are calling proffer to displace is a preference bid but with displacement benefits.

You proffer to take the displacement of a junior pilot.

And you can bid to take the place of a junior pilot.

Is OT pay rate always hire than normal or only when critical?

Also, do you get OT rate only when you’re above minimim guarantee (what about you are less guarantee for that month) or it doesn’t matter as long as is on your days off?

150% normal 200% critical. Any OT is credited above gurantee.

Ok so if I drop a trip during the month, (i.e. below guarantee) and then pickup an OT on a day off, will that trip be at least 150%?

Yes doesn't matter how much you fly or don't fly. OT is above gurantee.

If you have an 80 hour line, drop a 20 hour trip, your guarantee is now 60 hours. Any OT you pick up would be added onto your 60 hours at either the 150% rate or 200% rate.

On that note, don't expect to be able to drop anything -at all- in the near future, especially if critical coverage exists.

Recurrent question
 

Hey all. Coming up on 9months with the company, does anyone know, do you go to recurrent/probe-ride based on your hire date or is it based on the date you passed your type ride?

Thnx in advance.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's based on the type ride. On CCI check out the HI*E(QUALS) page and there should be a date for the next class there.

Yeah my first recurrent is based off my type ride under HI*E. Anyone have any objection to this? Seems right.

Normally it's 9-10 months before your hire date. I was hired in July and my probation ride was may.

Check your HI10. I was hired in October, typed in January, and did recurrent in August. The quals report on CCI isn't accurate for your first recurrent. Scheduling will try to ballpark it around the 9-10 month range, but with sims backed up now it's going to vary. The guy senior to me is just now going through recurrent.

So the issue is your probation ends on the 1 year anniversary of your hire date. The company generally wants to give a probation ride about 9-10 months from hire date. But if training is backed up they might skip it either way probation ends at the 1 year mark.

Also the union caved if 15G4 is used.. this one time the union waived the new hire training freeze. I am one of the guys affected and the union gave the company a pass on unlocking everyone else, if they force us to upgrade on a different airframe than we were hired on.

Also if we get forced to upgrade and displaced out of our original award, the only way the company gives us displacement pay, travel, and hotels is if we are displaced to the 175 ORD...

If I get forced to upgrade in OrD on the CRJ for example, I only get three move days and nothing else.

Kinda sour way to introduce new hires to a company.


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Please explain?

Explain what?

So if you get displaced as a new hire per the contract there is a 12 month training freeze on the equipment. I can remember exactly what page in the contract. There is a Waiver in the contract that says... the company may waive a training freeze, but if they do, the have to unlock everyone senior to you.. ( there is a few guys on this forum that think I am reading this wrong, but our contract guy at the union explain this all to me. I made multiple calls the last few days to our reps and asked for some clarification. From our union guy.. “alpa has waived that waiver for this one time... if they did not waive the waiver this time, the company was going to take a away a few things they granted for this bid”.

Also for then 15G4 which isn’t being called a displacement, but it is... (if I am being forced to upgrade to CA not at my discretion, that is a displacement in my book) we are not receiving 9 month of A12 travel and extra per diem and hires. The only way you are going to receive those displacement perks is if you are displaced to ORD on the 175.

The above is exactly how Mr.Ginn explained it to me.

If you want anymore info, PM me and I can explain into further detail.


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You are mixing up parts of the contract. I’ve been here 11 years and have a pretty good grasp of the contract.
- The 12 month training freeze for new hires is for vacancy bidding (not for being displaced).
- If you are displaced out of your current base, you get all the displacement benefits. The aircraft you displace into is irrelevant.
- Displaced pilots do not incrue a training freeze.

I understand what you are saying, but if that is the case why is the contract compliance guy for ALPA telling me “ALPa waived that for this one bid.


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I believed they waived the training freeze so that you have the option to bid for captain, if desired. Has no relevance on being displaced. The company and union both would rather have pilots bidding for captain vs being displaced to captain.