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#8391
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I submitted my iTunes receipt for Photon to the company and got reimbursed my $4.99
#8395
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
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Assuming you don't have a trip that includes flying from the 4th to 6th that creates a 7 day conflict, you'll just fly your sequence from the 31st to the the 3rd. You'll get paid for your flying on the 31st on this contractual month. You'll get paid for your flying from the 1st to the 3rd, on June's contractual month.
#8396
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But to get to the 'Transition' option. Please read the contract on this one. Mainly because it's often misrepresented on this issue when you ask someone. It's not as simple as "you get paid for both trips", like I've heard from almost everyone. It's still pretty simple but I'll go overboard on the examples:
Let's say, on next month's schedule, you are awarded a line that has a four day trip starting on the 1st and you select NO for the transition. You will finish flying your trip from this month that carries over into next month, then fly what's left of the first trip of next month. Essentially, a five day trip where the first month's schedule has priority. You will not be paid for what's dropped due to direct conflict (think flights at the same time).
Let's say, on next month's schedule, you are awarded a line that has a four day trip starting on the 1st and you select YES for the transition. Crew Scheduling will drop the least amount of flying that will make it work and there is no preference to this month's schedule vs next months schedule. The dropped flying can come from either month and from either trip. You will not be paid for what's dropped due to direct conflict here either.
Let's say, on next month's schedule, you are awarded a line that has a four day trip starting on the 3rd and you select NO for the transition. You will fly the trip that starts this month until it's completion, then Crew Scheduling will drop from your schedule the least amount of flying from next month's trip that will make it legal. Due to 7 day legalities, you WILL lose a day of flying on the trip next month. You will also lose some flying due to direct conflict on the 3rd. You will not be paid for either flying dropped to direct conflict, nor flying dropped due to legalities.
Let's say, on next month's schedule, you are awarded a line that has a four day trip starting on the 3rd and you select YES for the transition. Crew Scheduling will drop the least amount of flying that will make it work and there is no preference to this month's schedule vs next months schedule. This will include some flying lost on the 3rd due to direct conflict, as well as some other flying in the 7 days that is due to 7 day conflict (due to legalities of working 7 straight days). The flying you lose to direct conflict, you will still not be paid for. The flying you lose to the 7 day conflict will be coded "TL" on your HI1 and you will be paid for.
Those are basic, but most common, example types. The gist is that neither transition option pays for direct conflict (like flights at the same time). Selecting NO gives preference to the first month's scheduled trip but you are not paid for flights dropped due to legalities. Selecting YES gives Crew Scheduling more leeway in working out a legal solution and you are paid for the flights dropped due to legality.
MOST people just select YES each month just in case there is a legality issue that they can get paid for. But selecting NO can be useful too (think something like adding 2 days of OT just prior to your four day on the 31st BEFORE the bid for next month is closed and select NO on your bid for next month, you can now count on having the 4th off next month if that's important).
#8397
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
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The transition option has to do with how they deal with conflicts. The scenario I answered had no conflicts so it didn't matter.
But to get to the 'Transition' option. Please read the contract on this one. Mainly because it's often misrepresented on this issue when you ask someone. It's not as simple as "you get paid for both trips", like I've heard from almost everyone. It's still pretty simple but I'll go overboard on the examples:
Let's say, on next month's schedule, you are awarded a line that has a four day trip starting on the 1st and you select NO for the transition. You will finish flying your trip from this month that carries over into next month, then fly what's left of the first trip of next month. Essentially, a five day trip where the first month's schedule has priority. You will not be paid for what's dropped due to direct conflict (think flights at the same time).
Let's say, on next month's schedule, you are awarded a line that has a four day trip starting on the 1st and you select YES for the transition. Crew Scheduling will drop the least amount of flying that will make it work and there is no preference to this month's schedule vs next months schedule. The dropped flying can come from either month and from either trip. You will not be paid for what's dropped due to direct conflict here either.
Let's say, on next month's schedule, you are awarded a line that has a four day trip starting on the 3rd and you select NO for the transition. You will fly the trip that starts this month until it's completion, then Crew Scheduling will drop from your schedule the least amount of flying from next month's trip that will make it legal. Due to 7 day legalities, you WILL lose a day of flying on the trip next month. You will also lose some flying due to direct conflict on the 3rd. You will not be paid for either flying dropped to direct conflict, nor flying dropped due to legalities.
Let's say, on next month's schedule, you are awarded a line that has a four day trip starting on the 3rd and you select YES for the transition. Crew Scheduling will drop the least amount of flying that will make it work and there is no preference to this month's schedule vs next months schedule. This will include some flying lost on the 3rd due to direct conflict, as well as some other flying in the 7 days that is due to 7 day conflict (due to legalities of working 7 straight days). The flying you lose to direct conflict, you will still not be paid for. The flying you lose to the 7 day conflict will be coded "TL" on your HI1 and you will be paid for.
Those are basic, but most common, example types. The gist is that neither transition option pays for direct conflict (like flights at the same time). Selecting NO gives preference to the first month's scheduled trip but you are not paid for flights dropped due to legalities. Selecting YES gives Crew Scheduling more leeway in working out a legal solution and you are paid for the flights dropped due to legality.
MOST people just select YES each month just in case there is a legality issue that they can get paid for. But selecting NO can be useful too (think something like adding 2 days of OT just prior to your four day on the 31st BEFORE the bid for next month is closed and select NO on your bid for next month, you can now count on having the 4th off next month if that's important).
But to get to the 'Transition' option. Please read the contract on this one. Mainly because it's often misrepresented on this issue when you ask someone. It's not as simple as "you get paid for both trips", like I've heard from almost everyone. It's still pretty simple but I'll go overboard on the examples:
Let's say, on next month's schedule, you are awarded a line that has a four day trip starting on the 1st and you select NO for the transition. You will finish flying your trip from this month that carries over into next month, then fly what's left of the first trip of next month. Essentially, a five day trip where the first month's schedule has priority. You will not be paid for what's dropped due to direct conflict (think flights at the same time).
Let's say, on next month's schedule, you are awarded a line that has a four day trip starting on the 1st and you select YES for the transition. Crew Scheduling will drop the least amount of flying that will make it work and there is no preference to this month's schedule vs next months schedule. The dropped flying can come from either month and from either trip. You will not be paid for what's dropped due to direct conflict here either.
Let's say, on next month's schedule, you are awarded a line that has a four day trip starting on the 3rd and you select NO for the transition. You will fly the trip that starts this month until it's completion, then Crew Scheduling will drop from your schedule the least amount of flying from next month's trip that will make it legal. Due to 7 day legalities, you WILL lose a day of flying on the trip next month. You will also lose some flying due to direct conflict on the 3rd. You will not be paid for either flying dropped to direct conflict, nor flying dropped due to legalities.
Let's say, on next month's schedule, you are awarded a line that has a four day trip starting on the 3rd and you select YES for the transition. Crew Scheduling will drop the least amount of flying that will make it work and there is no preference to this month's schedule vs next months schedule. This will include some flying lost on the 3rd due to direct conflict, as well as some other flying in the 7 days that is due to 7 day conflict (due to legalities of working 7 straight days). The flying you lose to direct conflict, you will still not be paid for. The flying you lose to the 7 day conflict will be coded "TL" on your HI1 and you will be paid for.
Those are basic, but most common, example types. The gist is that neither transition option pays for direct conflict (like flights at the same time). Selecting NO gives preference to the first month's scheduled trip but you are not paid for flights dropped due to legalities. Selecting YES gives Crew Scheduling more leeway in working out a legal solution and you are paid for the flights dropped due to legality.
MOST people just select YES each month just in case there is a legality issue that they can get paid for. But selecting NO can be useful too (think something like adding 2 days of OT just prior to your four day on the 31st BEFORE the bid for next month is closed and select NO on your bid for next month, you can now count on having the 4th off next month if that's important).
So essentially IF I wanted maximum days off next month I really need to bid lines that start with trips on the 1st and maybe go till the 3rd or 4th, but still have 14-15 (16-17, but let's not kid ourselves here) days off or so. Cause if I bid a line that has 14-15 days off that with the first 3-4 days of the month off, then my overlapping trips takes them away regardless and I really only get 11-12 days off...
Anyhow, thanks again!
#8398
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,460
Wow, ok. This helped a lot! Thank you!!
So essentially IF I wanted maximum days off next month I really need to bid lines that start with trips on the 1st and maybe go till the 3rd or 4th, but still have 14-15 (16-17, but let's not kid ourselves here) days off or so. Cause if I bid a line that has 14-15 days off that with the first 3-4 days of the month off, then my overlapping trips takes them away regardless and I really only get 11-12 days off...
Anyhow, thanks again!
So essentially IF I wanted maximum days off next month I really need to bid lines that start with trips on the 1st and maybe go till the 3rd or 4th, but still have 14-15 (16-17, but let's not kid ourselves here) days off or so. Cause if I bid a line that has 14-15 days off that with the first 3-4 days of the month off, then my overlapping trips takes them away regardless and I really only get 11-12 days off...
Anyhow, thanks again!
#8399
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 224
Does the number of hours blocked in a trip affect the ability to trade it, or is that just limited by the number of days on?
For example, is it harder to trade away a trip that is worth 18 hours vs one that is worth 14 if they have the same TAFB?
For example, is it harder to trade away a trip that is worth 18 hours vs one that is worth 14 if they have the same TAFB?
#8400
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Hours do not matter. Just days.
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