Picking a plane for Envoy
02-05-2017, 07:04 PM
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Picking a plane for Envoy
Hey everybody! I need help choosing priority of airframe. I want to be based in DFW but I have no idea how to pick what airframe. I know the 175 gets the smaller bonus but that doesn't make too much of a difference for me as QOL does. So my question is how do I determine the priority of my pick of aircraft at DFW and if I can't get DFW, where do I go from there to decide. Also, I'm 29 and I know that picks are based off class age and just whatever is available. Thanks!
02-05-2017, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jmm264
Hey everybody! I need help choosing priority of airframe. I want to be based in DFW but I have no idea how to pick what airframe. I know the 175 gets the smaller bonus but that doesn't make too much of a difference for me as QOL does. So my question is how do I determine the priority of my pick of aircraft at DFW and if I can't get DFW, where do I go from there to decide. Also, I'm 29 and I know that picks are based off class age and just whatever is available. Thanks!
Priority should be 175 DFW, 145 DFW, 145 LGA, 145 ORD.
02-05-2017, 08:27 PM
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Yeah I think you would. From what I've understood, day one of a new hire class, they put what they need or what is available up and the oldest in the class gets their pick and it goes that way all the way down to the youngest. From what I have also been told, the average glass age is around my age so with your age, unless you somehow just get unlucky and get a class with older guys, you should pretty much have your pick of whatever you want.
Originally Posted by 77RWFW77
Just put an app in for Envoy.
Noticed 2 things in this thread, Envoy bases seniority in class off of age, and also aircraft assignment?
So I'm 52, would that give me a good chance of getting DFW and the 175?
Thanks
Noticed 2 things in this thread, Envoy bases seniority in class off of age, and also aircraft assignment?
So I'm 52, would that give me a good chance of getting DFW and the 175?
Thanks
02-05-2017, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jmm264
Yeah I think you would. From what I've understood, day one of a new hire class, they put what they need or what is available up and the oldest in the class gets their pick and it goes that way all the way down to the youngest. From what I have also been told, the average glass age is around my age so with your age, unless you somehow just get unlucky and get a class with older guys, you should pretty much have your pick of whatever you want.
Thats good to hear.
Thx for the reply.
02-05-2017, 08:39 PM
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Where do you want to end up? A CL-65 type is pretty common, and doesn't really pay all that much. Get a E-170/190 type, and be willing to fly overseas, and you can make a lot more. All depends on what you want to do, and where you want to live.
02-06-2017, 03:40 AM
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Well, I'll try to clear some misinformation up from this page. When you get to class there will be 3-4 options on the board.
DFW 175, ORD CRJ, ORD 145, NY 145.
There most certainly will not be a DFW 145 option. If there is then you got extremely lucky. It's been offered once maybe twice in as long as I can remember.
Now on to choice between 175/145. If you choose the 145 the you will be in DFW very soon after IOE (1-3 months - maybe less not likely to be more)
People on here in the Envoy thread have made good arguments to choose the 145 for QOL reasons. I won't go into the details maybe you can find it but suffice it say it hinges on when we get more 175s. If those planes don't come sooner rather than later then 175 may stagnate and you will be on reserve and a junior line holder longer relative to the 145.
DFW 175, ORD CRJ, ORD 145, NY 145.
There most certainly will not be a DFW 145 option. If there is then you got extremely lucky. It's been offered once maybe twice in as long as I can remember.
Now on to choice between 175/145. If you choose the 145 the you will be in DFW very soon after IOE (1-3 months - maybe less not likely to be more)
People on here in the Envoy thread have made good arguments to choose the 145 for QOL reasons. I won't go into the details maybe you can find it but suffice it say it hinges on when we get more 175s. If those planes don't come sooner rather than later then 175 may stagnate and you will be on reserve and a junior line holder longer relative to the 145.
02-06-2017, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
Well, I'll try to clear some misinformation up from this page. When you get to class there will be 3-4 options on the board.
DFW 175, ORD CRJ, ORD 145, NY 145.
There most certainly will not be a DFW 145 option. If there is then you got extremely lucky. It's been offered once maybe twice in as long as I can remember.
Now on to choice between 175/145. If you choose the 145 the you will be in DFW very soon after IOE (1-3 months - maybe less not likely to be more)
People on here in the Envoy thread have made good arguments to choose the 145 for QOL reasons. I won't go into the details maybe you can find it but suffice it say it hinges on when we get more 175s. If those planes don't come sooner rather than later then 175 may stagnate and you will be on reserve and a junior line holder longer relative to the 145.
DFW 175, ORD CRJ, ORD 145, NY 145.
There most certainly will not be a DFW 145 option. If there is then you got extremely lucky. It's been offered once maybe twice in as long as I can remember.
Now on to choice between 175/145. If you choose the 145 the you will be in DFW very soon after IOE (1-3 months - maybe less not likely to be more)
People on here in the Envoy thread have made good arguments to choose the 145 for QOL reasons. I won't go into the details maybe you can find it but suffice it say it hinges on when we get more 175s. If those planes don't come sooner rather than later then 175 may stagnate and you will be on reserve and a junior line holder longer relative to the 145.
02-09-2017, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bigtime209
This is a very valid point and one that everyone starting class in the next few months need to think about. The last firm 175 delivery will be this summer. Word from the training department is the last new hire class that will go into the 175 will also be this summer. As of right now, there are no plans to take additional 175s. There's not a doubt in my mind that we will take more orders, but the question is when. I wouldn't be surprised to not get any more the rest of the year. Expect the 175 list to stagnate and reserve time for junior guys to go up significantly. Food for thought.
There is going to be attrition on all fleets. The 175 isn't going to be the growth gravy train it has been but the door isn't slamming shut on attrition either.
Pick what ever airplane gives you the base you want and the best QOL. Commuting to Reserve is terrible. If you can move to your base and drive to work you will be much happier. Having done a two leg commute to reserve previously I opted to move and drive to work this time around. My mental health is worth the move.
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