Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 2560357)

If UAL bought expressjet, then they could have 100% control of the hiring process. They could implement a flow.

The way the flow works at Envoy/PSA/Piedmont is that, once they are hired at Envoy/PSA/Piedmont, they are hired at AA, with a guaranteed class date sometime in the future. There is nothing else they do, other than wait for their number to be called up to the "majors". If they want to leave Envoy and go to AA before they flow to AA, for example, there is nothing stopping them.

The way things currently are, a number of expressjet pilots will leave for DAL/AA/FedEx/UPS, not to mention Alaskan, Hawaiian, Spirit, Omni, Kalitta, etc. With flow through, some of those pilots will instead flow to UAL,, thus giving UAL more pilots.

The way DAL is doing it is that they have a guaranteed INTERVIEW. No guarantee of being hired.

Also, by buying expressjet it gives UAL more operational control of expressjet.

I thought, several years ago, that UAL would be forced to buy one or more regional airlines, because of the worsening Pilot Shortage. I also think that DAL will be forced to change to Flow Through, and it is easily possible that UAL/DAL/AA will be forced to absorb their regional, just to have enough pilots to continue operations at the current level, not to mention any future growth.

Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2560466)

Come on people. Look at all the other regional threads on this forum. All the ones with issues have threads about some white knight riding to their rescue. It's happening next week, next month, next quarter, it's already done but can't be announced until the third quarter (my favorite).
Don't hold your breath.

Originally Posted by OOcansuckit (Post 2560999)

You have time to look at all the threads of the other regionals? A famous quote from Good Morning, Vietnam could be appropriate.

Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 2560863)

Practically all of the guys at United that I’ve flown with would be in favor of a flow provided that there were some restrictions. I can’t see anyone having a problem if United is able to:

1. Refuse a pilot who has had multiple training failures (failed sim sessions, 100 hrs of IOE needed to pass) or has had discipline problems.

2. They came over as a probationary pilot so that the company could weed them out if needed

3. It didn’t restrict military applicants or pilots from other carriers

4. Pass travel date would be date of hire at mainline and not at a regional

5. When they transition to mainline they start with fresh system seniority with those in their class and not from their regional.

Basically if flow allowed the company the ability to not hire a known problem and if all pilots in the flow were brought over as new hires and treated the same as the others in their class, there would be no problem.

Originally Posted by McNugent (Post 2561129)

Isn’t this basically what the CPP is? Although it’s not a “flow”, it covers these bases for the most part. That’s the best anyone currently on property would get.

I could see a new hiring profile where United has control over who’s getting hired from day 1 at a regional and as long as they meet their minimums, gateways, seniority etc... they could then flow to a UAL class. Totally spitballing, but I just can’t imagine UAL or any airline for that matter giving up control to grandfather a pilot group in.

Originally Posted by FlyingMaryJane (Post 2561136)

The CPP is an "interview" a flow would be "no interview" and they just look at your training history, failed checkrides, etc... i think thats what he means. But at this point they have probably interviewed maybe 70% or maybe more of the XJT pilot group anyway, so at this point just make it a flow lol the word "flow" sounds so much nicer to those new hires and then just bring a UAL HR rep to the xjt interviews so you can say you "interviewed" with UAL also.

Originally Posted by McNugent (Post 2561154)

So for those who’ve “interviewed” via the CPP, how many have been given a conditional offer or are in the pool? Anyone have % on pass rates and actually on property? I’ve been in and out of TK and met all sorts of guys with CPP interviews for XJT, AirWis, and CA. Most of whom expected to not have a UAL class date for years if hired.