I can open my mouth whenever I want to say what I want. Please explain on how being exploited helped future pilots!? Was that supposed to be a joke? If anything the newer pilots helped the older regional pilots who settled for less and did nothing to make a difference and voice their opinion outside of the flightdeck, thanks to the newer pilots the pay has gone up for the older ones and overall quality of life at the regional level. Btw I too flew 8 legs a day on a turboprop, no autopilot all over Florida with no apu, for 15/hr and stayed at crappy hotels with short overnights, 5 day trips. Been there done that buddy, my difference is that I did that for 2 years left the industry and came back last year, got a fat sign on bonus check and making captain pay now. Please expand on how being exploited by the regionals helped future pilots with pay and quality of life?

I remember circa 06-07 hearing a lot of guys turning away from CAL because of no health insurance for the first 6 months. Now they barely hold a line at XJT. Must be all that entitlement.

Thank you!

oh,brother...here we go.

I too started when the Ships were wood & the Men were steel.

Beating a dead horse here. He could never understand what it was like & the circumstances, both macro & micro, that caused some to not be able to move on. This Business requires a bit of luck & fortuitous timing.

Nobody here is questioning how you spend your time off.

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United most likely will not offer flow any time soon. The CPP program is working for them and will be offered at more regionals. In the future a higher percentage of classes will be filled by CPP pilots from various airlines. I doubt you’ll ever see a deal where you’re given a mainline seniority number when you hire on as a regional pilot. A military pilot hiring on after a 20 year career isn’t going to be on equal ground as a beginning pilot at the regional. United wants to be able to pick and choose who they hire (good luck figuring out what they want). The CPP isn’t a guaranteed job, but it is a guaranteed chance to start the hiring process. That is more than you had before. You’re still free to apply to all of the airlines and see what happens. After an applicant meets the requirements it is mostly dumb luck that gets you an invitation to interview. The pilot with 5,000 hours has just as good of a chance of getting that call as one with 20,000. Some will luck out and get hired at a major very early in their careers, and some will never get the call. All you can do is make sure you have the 4 year degree and build a quality resume and hope for the best. I think that the attrition that all of he legacy carriers are going to be having most will get that call, it just might not come at the time of their choosing.

The CPP was designed as a recruiting and retention tool. I'd argue that it's failed badly at that. The wholy owned American carriers are cleaning United's clock when it comes to those metrics.

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You’re probably right, but United doesn’t have a shortage of applicants. The mainline pilots want to hold the line on scope, bring the flying back in house, and eliminate rather than protect much of the regional feed. If they were to buy 50 small airbus or 737’s they could park 125 of the small 50 seat jets. The existing 76 seat jets would serve the small markets and mainline would serve all hub to hub and other markets. The pilot shortage is going to make the current model of high frequency on small jets hard to maintain. I think we will see a transition to an operation with fewer flights on larger planes as a result. The mainline narrow body fleet will resemble a Southwest style operation used to feed the long haul flights. Mainline hiring will most likely increase, but each position created will be at the expense of 2 or 3 regional seats.