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Arliss 09-05-2018 05:21 AM

They keep talking of a more "streamlined" CPP but never any details. So far we're at 100+ for the year, I think 175 or so total, and more classes to come this year. We're up to March 2005 most junior DOH.

DirkDiggler 09-05-2018 05:30 AM

With an initial pass rate of 25%, it’s no wonder they are up to 2005 hires. Many people have no failed the process twice and are officially out.

It’s interesting, the double failure people are not good enough to fly United passengers over there. So, instead they should keep flying United passengers over here.

PhantomHawk 09-05-2018 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2668569)
It’s interesting, the double failure people are not good enough to fly United passengers over there. So, instead they should keep flying United passengers over here.

Haven’t met a single one of them who isn’t extra motivated to leave now.

John Carr 09-05-2018 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by Voski (Post 2668209)
The best part about a flow through agreement (aside from a mainline job) is that it guarantees attrition from the most senior pilots within the company. It’s great for the senior, experienced guys while simultaneously creating opportunity at the bottom ranks of the seniority list.

You’re stating the obvious.

I’ll do the SAME, CPP isn’t a flow.

Although one of its misguided intents was to be similar to a flow. Clear out the top and save XJT (SkyWest) (insert whatever million dollars here).

Not really working out that way.


Originally Posted by Arliss (Post 2668562)
They keep talking of a more "streamlined" CPP but never any details. So far we're at 100+ for the year, I think 175 or so total, and more classes to come this year. We're up to March 2005 most junior DOH.

Didn’t they already come work an “enhanced” CPP over a year ago?

Making it the enhanced/streamlined CPP?

PontiusPilot 09-05-2018 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2668943)
Didn’t they already come work an “enhanced” CPP over a year ago?

Making it the enhanced/streamlined CPP?

No. They only added interview opportunities at various XJT crew bases over last summer. Some kind of substantial enhancement to the XJT CPP is likely still to come.

John Carr 09-05-2018 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by PontiusPilot (Post 2668967)
No. They only added interview opportunities at various XJT crew bases over last summer. Some kind of substantial enhancement to the XJT CPP is likely still to come.

Didn’t they label it “enhanced”?

PhantomHawk 09-05-2018 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2668999)
Didn’t they label it “enhanced”?

No........

Fleet Warp 09-05-2018 07:06 PM

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JetDoc 09-06-2018 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2668569)
With an initial pass rate of 25%, it’s no wonder they are up to 2005 hires. Many people have no failed the process twice and are officially out.

It’s interesting, the double failure people are not good enough to fly United passengers over there. So, instead they should keep flying United passengers over here.

You sir understand the supreme hypocrisy of airline pilot hiring in 2018 and it is not just isolated to ExpressJet and united. At my DCI shop we have people being rejected by delta, some on the second day by the shrink and being sent back to fly delta passengers on delta painted airplanes, of course for pennies on the dollar. You can not square it morally. You can not square it ethically. In the mean time though they will dabble in human engineering projects like "propel" and whatever united is calling their ab initio experiment.

Blackhawk 09-06-2018 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by JetDoc (Post 2669480)
You sir understand the supreme hypocrisy of airline pilot hiring in 2018 and it is not just isolated to ExpressJet and united. At my DCI shop we have people being rejected by delta, some on the second day by the shrink and being sent back to fly delta passengers on delta painted airplanes, of course for pennies on the dollar. You can not square it morally. You can not square it ethically. In the mean time though they will dabble in human engineering projects like "propel" and whatever united is calling their ab initio experiment.

I've seen some people who were outstanding pilots and good people fail the Hogan. And I don't just mean good stick and rudder pilots, but pilots who were very mature, level-headed and had great decision-making skills. Then I see others make it through the process and everyone who knows them is befuddled. We wouldn't trust them with a beat up airport car much less an airliner full of pax.


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