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Xjt still gets to line bid and keeps their trip touch vacation dealio. Ask an old Cal pilot about trip touch vacation and it usually brings back visions of awesomeness.
They get a raise to industry average and for the sheer majority of pilots that fly over 70 hours a month... another 8-10k for showing up. They also get a guarantee of 20 E-175. It's a win for XJT and should pass easy. |
These are all rounding errors.
The one thing I would be worried about is the potential $40,000 sign on bonus for new hires. Once this is voted in there will be no reason to come back to the bargaining table anytime soon. Giving up that leverage is something to think about very carefully. The OO TA had a potential $30,000 new hire bonus - and that was one of the major reasons it failed so miserably (in addition to the left pocket right pocket shell game they were trying to play). The rest of the TA is good news for XJT - just be careful in giving away future leverage. |
Originally Posted by Arliss
(Post 2673486)
My biggest issue with the TA is that there were zero improvements to the trip credit rules. We have a measly 2 hour daily guarantee and 15 hour rig on 4 day trips only. You will frequently see fragments of trips that scheduling drops into open time that are terrible credit. 3 hours of credit for a 2 day!?!?! (one leg to a nearby outstation, overnight, 1 leg back). That's horrendous. If you straight pickup then yea, it's 3.75 per day. But if I want to use it for a swap, fuggetaboutit.
At a minimum the 4 day trip rig (works out to 3.75/day average) needs to be extended to all pairings. A 4 to 1 trip rig on top of that would be nice too. |
Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
(Post 2673448)
Skywest pilots are chiming in because we have been offered TAs with misleading information several times recently- one of which was barely voted in, and one which failed miserably.
The dividing of the bonus to an hourly rate as people were discussing is a clear example- it is being calculated at 70 hours which is artificially high per hour, as most people will probably credit much more each month. Actually, it’s being calculated at 80 hours. And these charts are not produced or paid for by management like they are at Skywest. These charts were produced by ALPA E&FA and Comm professional staff. These charts and the EQO calculated pay rate were just to illustrate an apples to apples comparison to pay rates. If you or any other Skywest pilots don’t like them, you can calculate total compensation by multiplying the hourly rate by the minimum guarantee and then by 12 months, then add the $10k/$8k for xjt in order to compare. Assumptions are made in every graph and chart that compares contracts. We all know that pay rates are just part of the total compensation picture. |
Originally Posted by Is offline
(Post 2673496)
Because jk one should be voting in subpar TA’s. During the vote at OO half of the post were XJT drum beaters. It’s an insult they offer xjt less than they offered OO and you guys think it’s a good deal. Both deals were well below republic and endeavor.
This TA is better than the TA Skywest rejected. And the compensation is only bested by Endeavor. The charts are posted above. Anyway, xjt rejected their concessionary contract years ago before Skywest had accepted their pay proposals with measly pay rate increases. |
Originally Posted by Nevjets
(Post 2673558)
This TA is better than the TA Skywest rejected. And the compensation is only bested by Endeavor. The charts are posted above.
Anyway, xjt rejected their concessionary contract years ago before Skywest had accepted their pay proposals with measly pay rate increases. |
Always turn down the first offer. You can do better. They are trying to use you as leverage for OO's TA. Think about Republics new rates.. start there.
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Contract 2018
Originally Posted by Is offline
(Post 2673589)
Republic gets a sizable raise January. This is well below that
I didn’t know that. So xjt will be third out of a dozen? What is the percentage of their raise? |
EQO and Military Monthly duties
Originally Posted by 81618
(Post 2673508)
Also want to put it out there that if you leave before an eqo payout you lose out on that "pay" you thought you had and got stuck with the dismal rates for the hours you did fly in that quarter.
"O. Earned Quarterly Override 1. Eligibility For an XJT First Officer or Captain to be eligible for the XJT Earned Quarterly Override (EQO) the pilot must remain employed through the last day of the month in the quarter for which the EQO is being paid: Example: For the EQO being paid in April, the pilot must remain employed through March 31 (which is the last day of the quarter from January to March)." There is too much weight being put into the eqo for me, especially for a more senior FO. It would have been nice to see more of a balance between rates and an eqo. A $3,700 dollar rate increase (6 yr FO) for the year vs 10k for an eqo seems a little lopsided. For example, how does this work for military? The average ANG or Reservist needs 6 days a month to do the one weekend a month/two weeks a year plus training periods. Military being on reserve cannot makeup credit with 11-12 days off to reach 70 hours again after taking military leave. A lineholder might, but then they are working doubly hard, and loosing time off just to be on par pay with the rest of the pilot group. Loosing a set credit for time off is much more fair with an appropriate hourly rate than this goofy conditional lump sum payments junk. Is there a clause to help military, or was this completely overlooked? What about a commuter who misses reserve days? There are probably other conditions I am not aware of that can cause people to dip below 70 against their will or control. Thoughts? |
Originally Posted by CaseTractor
(Post 2673645)
This is a huge player. It is assumed the vast majority of people can easily credit 70 hours. But what are the real numbers of people that do? It might be a higher percentage of people missing that mark (not deliberately) than most expect, hence why this is in there.
For example, how does this work for military? The average ANG or Reservist needs 6 days a month to do the one weekend a month/two weeks a year plus training periods. Military being on reserve cannot makeup credit with 11-12 days off to reach 70 hours again after taking military leave. A lineholder might, but then they are working doubly hard, and loosing time off just to be on par pay with the rest of the pilot group. Loosing a set credit for time off is much more fair with an appropriate hourly rate than this goofy conditional lump sum payments junk. Is there a clause to help military, or was this completely overlooked? What about a commuter who misses reserve days? There are probably other conditions I am not aware of that can cause people to dip below 70 against their will or control. Thoughts? |
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