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watch 02-07-2019 06:20 PM

Thanks, I’m new to this

dera 02-07-2019 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by watch (Post 2759383)
What “manuevers” do you do if not even steep turns?

V1 cut, SE go-around, Cat II approaches to landing and missed, SE approaches, you know, the important and relevant stuff.

Blackhawk 02-08-2019 01:19 PM

I haven’t heard before of a program where basic ATP maneuvers aren’t part of the AQP, but I guess that could be the case. V1 cuts aren’t part of the day to day 121 flying but they are still usually something that is tested. You don’t normally do stall recovery as well, but that is also part of most training programs.

Punkpilot48 02-10-2019 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2760079)
I haven’t heard before of a program where basic ATP maneuvers aren’t part of the AQP, but I guess that could be the case. V1 cuts aren’t part of the day to day 121 flying but they are still usually something that is tested. You don’t normally do stall recovery as well, but that is also part of most training programs.

You aren’t tested on stalls on the airbus at some airlines.

Blackhawk 02-15-2019 01:49 AM


Originally Posted by Punkpilot48 (Post 2761521)
You aren’t tested on stalls on the airbus at some airlines.

I’m not sure how that is possible as it’s a requirement of 121.419. Sounds like another Colgan 3407 looking for a place to happen.

Punkpilot48 02-15-2019 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2764567)
I’m not sure how that is possible as it’s a requirement of 121.419. Sounds like another Colgan 3407 looking for a place to happen.

United airlines. Hardly the next colgan.

It’s a check the box item in training. The plane doesn’t stall. You have to have multiple system failures before it can happen. No stalls in any of the 3 validation rides.

CanWeGetTheLeft 02-15-2019 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Punkpilot48 (Post 2764821)
United airlines. Hardly the next colgan.

It’s a check the box item in training. The plane doesn’t stall. You have to have multiple system failures before it can happen. No stalls in any of the 3 validation rides.

Yeah, it’s not like there’s ever been a major accident with everyone killed because a modern airbus stalled.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

I’m not attacking UAL or their training, everyone I know that has gone through it says it’s exceptional. But the Airbus can stall, and it has happened.

Punkpilot48 02-15-2019 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by CanWeGetTheLeft (Post 2764829)
Yeah, it’s not like there’s ever been a major accident with everyone killed because a modern airbus stalled.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

I’m not attacking UAL or their training, everyone I know that has gone through it says it’s exceptional. But the Airbus can stall, and it has happened.

Obviously it can! But like I said multiple system failures.

Blackhawk 02-16-2019 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Punkpilot48 (Post 2764821)
United airlines. Hardly the next colgan.

It’s a check the box item in training. The plane doesn’t stall. You have to have multiple system failures before it can happen. No stalls in any of the 3 validation rides.

I see now what you wrote. “Tested” and I assumed trained.
Still, any airline can have an accident. Taking to friends who are in training departments at majors one of the things that scares them is the lack of breadth among many new hires. Many have never even been a PIC under 121.

dera 02-16-2019 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2765555)
I see now what you wrote. “Tested” and I assumed trained.
Still, any airline can have an accident. Taking to friends who are in training departments at majors one of the things that scares them is the lack of breadth among many new hires. Many have never even been a PIC under 121.

The many you refer to are military or minority.
Such is life that they get preference over more qualified candidates.


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