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ghostrider717 02-04-2019 08:09 PM

How many is excessive?
 
I was thinking of jumping ship and applying to you guys since I’m already typed in the ejet but I see it states that you wont take anyone with excessive Checkride failures. I was wondering if any of you know what is considered “excessive”? I had two busts back in 2000 and then took 13 yrs off from flying then busted again when I came back in 2013. I’m thinking 3 is too many, even if 2 of them where 19 years ago.

Blackhawk 02-04-2019 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ghostrider717 (Post 2757045)
I was thinking of jumping ship and applying to you guys since I’m already typed in the ejet but I see it states that you wont take anyone with excessive Checkride failures. I was wondering if any of you know what is considered “excessive”? I had two busts back in 2000 and then took 13 yrs off from flying then busted again when I came back in 2013. I’m thinking 3 is too many, even if 2 of them where 19 years ago.

You won't know unless you ask.

PhantomHawk 02-04-2019 09:15 PM

I know people hired by the Majors with more than 3 checkride failures. You should apply, and focus on explaining what happened if you get an interview. Take ownership of the failure, explain what you learned from it, and how you are a better pilot now because of it.

afterburn81 02-05-2019 05:30 AM

Is it 3 “Check Rides” or “Training” failures? They always ask those questions differently. I’m assuming any practical test bust bears more weight that a KV or oral.

PhantomHawk 02-05-2019 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 2757163)
Is it 3 “Check Rides” or “Training” failures? They always ask those questions differently. I’m assuming any practical test bust bears more weight that a KV or oral.

For the purposes of my example, they were all practicals. However, a busted KV is bad news, too.

Point is, it’s not a roadblock, necessarily......but it does increase your workload when it comes to overcoming that awkward moment in the interview. Because they WILL ask about it.

itsmytime 02-05-2019 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2757603)
For the purposes of my example, they were all practicals. However, a busted KV is bad news, too.

Point is, it’s not a roadblock, necessarily......but it does increase your workload when it comes to overcoming that awkward moment in the interview. Because they WILL ask about it.

What’s a KV?

Arliss 02-05-2019 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 2757698)
What’s a KV?

Knowledge validation. Basically the systems oral in AQP training.

dera 02-05-2019 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Arliss (Post 2757710)
Knowledge validation. Basically the systems oral in AQP training.

Depends on the implementation.
In our shop, the KV is a computer based test which you can take as many times as you want, so you can't really "bust" it.
SV/PV is where you do your oral.

So, not all AQPs are alike.

Parma3980 02-06-2019 03:35 PM

One in a career is acceptable any more than one is excessive If there wasn’t a pilot shortage you would be a career flight instructor

da42pilot 02-06-2019 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dera (Post 2757763)
Depends on the implementation.
In our shop, the KV is a computer based test which you can take as many times as you want, so you can't really "bust" it.
SV/PV is where you do your oral.

So, not all AQPs are alike.

Where do you work? I’ve never heard of that before. Not doubting just surprised that’s possible.


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