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CPPfacts 10-08-2019 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by watch (Post 2900201)
I'm more curious to learn about the challenges these pilots find mentally or physically demanding. I could be ignorant to a significant part of my job, and mistaking it as easy while the whole time I was just fouling it up.

You said that it would be harder at a major airline. Why do you think that.

afterburn81 10-08-2019 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2899912)
Who else has commuter hotels besides C5? It’s an awesome concept, but it’s certainly not “industry standard”. Wish it was.

Gojet, Envoy (unlimited for first 3 months if I’m not mistaken), PSA, Piedmont, Endeavor (doesn’t need commuter hotels because of positive space and commuting agreement.)

A couple I guess

SureJetz 10-08-2019 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by watch (Post 2900201)
I'm more curious to learn about the challenges these pilots find mentally or physically demanding. I could be ignorant to a significant part of my job, and mistaking it as easy while the whole time I was just fouling it up.

The simple fact of the matter is that IF you truly are a new hire your attitude and ego are too big for your britches. This assumes you never flew prior 121 or 135 ops before coming here.

Yes, for someone with a lot of experience this job isn’t too bad. It has a typical cadence and flow. If you have not been here long enough to see all the seasons at least twice then you haven’t experienced much. You’ve been here for a few months by your own admission.

As many have said, be humble and focus on learning to be a good pilot both in respect to professionalism and in flying the aircraft safely.

Yourself and DSPS are very outside the norm as far as new hires. IF in fact you are real, your personalities will soon reveal who you are in due time.

SureJetz 10-08-2019 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 2900272)
Gojet, Envoy (unlimited for first 3 months if I’m not mistaken), PSA, Piedmont, Endeavor (doesn’t need commuter hotels because of positive space and commuting agreement.)

A couple I guess

I listed all of them in a previous post.

Commutair
Envoy
PSA
Piedmont
Trans States
Go-Jet
Compass

watch 10-08-2019 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by CPPfacts (Post 2900193)
Why do you say it is harder at a major airline?

If someone finds this job difficult at Expressjet, it will be more demanding at a major airline due to longer routes, red eyes, more complicated aircraft, more passengers. Everything is amplified a bit.

If you think the job is easy here, it will probably also be easy at a major airline.

I could be wrong about this. I guess my point is, this job is not mentally or physically demanding once you get the hang of it. The people complaining about the company probably aren't new hires still struggling to learn the basics here, they're pilots who have been here for years and would like a new contract. For them, it should be an easy job.

I think the time off could be better, easily, by improving the efficiency of trips: make each duty period include 6 hours of flying, for example. Then it would take 12.5 days to fly 75hours credit. Then you get 17.5 days off. But for the people who say this job is difficult, wouldn't days like that be much harder than their 4.5 hour days?

legacysaretough 10-08-2019 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by watch (Post 2900321)
If someone finds this job difficult at Expressjet, it will be more demanding at a major airline due to longer routes, red eyes, more complicated aircraft, more passengers. Everything is amplified a bit.

If you think the job is easy here, it will probably also be easy at a major airline.

I could be wrong about this. I guess my point is, this job is not mentally or physically demanding once you get the hang of it. The people complaining about the company probably aren't new hires still struggling to learn the basics here, they're pilots who have been here for years and would like a new contract. For them, it should be an easy job.

I think the time off could be better, easily, by improving the efficiency of trips: make each duty period include 6 hours of flying, for example. Then it would take 12.5 days to fly 75hours credit. Then you get 17.5 days off. But for the people who say this job is difficult, wouldn't days like that be much harder than their 4.5 hour days?

Your pipe dream of 6 hours of flying and efficiency of trips USED to exist......until pilots stopped coming here and flying was surrendered. The less flying created longer sits to compensate for the lack of staffing.:mad:

flynd94 10-08-2019 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by legacysaretough (Post 2900523)
Your pipe dream of 6 hours of flying and efficiency of trips USED to exist......until pilots stopped coming here and flying was surrendered. The less flying created longer sits to compensate for the lack of staffing.:mad:

Actually it started to disappear way before that. It started when UA brought on the large influx of E175’s. The longer legs we used to fly was shifted to that air frame and we were stuck with the short segments.

Next SKW Inc started shrinking Xjet by not renewing the unprofitable CPA’s (which they negotiated). That’s when the mass exodus of pilots started.

Southern Fried 10-08-2019 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by watch (Post 2900321)
If someone finds this job difficult at Expressjet, it will be more demanding at a major airline due to longer routes, red eyes, more complicated aircraft, more passengers. Everything is amplified a bit.

If you think the job is easy here, it will probably also be easy at a major airline.

I could be wrong about this. I guess my point is, this job is not mentally or physically demanding once you get the hang of it. The people complaining about the company probably aren't new hires still struggling to learn the basics here, they're pilots who have been here for years and would like a new contract. For them, it should be an easy job.

I think the time off could be better, easily, by improving the efficiency of trips: make each duty period include 6 hours of flying, for example. Then it would take 12.5 days to fly 75hours credit. Then you get 17.5 days off. But for the people who say this job is difficult, wouldn't days like that be much harder than their 4.5 hour days?

Time and upgrade will temper your thinking about the ease of this job. Your sentiment is a window to your level of experience. Is all of our flying hard? Of course not. BUT, there will be days you'll be scratching your head wondering what possessed you to pursue this career. If it hasnt happened yet, you havent been doing it long enough.

HotDogSonicBoom 10-08-2019 07:35 PM

I can’t say that the flying is easier/harder. I expect it to be harder.... but this is physically easier than what I did in 135 Cargo where I would unload freight out of the back of a 1900, unpaid, and often with showtimes at 0100. We also had shifting duty times, no duty rigs, and were covered in fuel/mosquitoes/and fish jizz most of the time. Am I one of the problem guys who took it so I could build time? Heck yeah! Although it was hard on me, it was great and I learned a lot. Now I’m here and I see a ****ing contest of how hard it is. That’s just wasted time reading that stuff. I look at XJT as a great place to learn from experienced captains while getting to become a better pilot. I cannot understand why there is so much negativity on here, and a push that we need to be negative to know what this company is and what working for it means. I think XJT is gonna push me and expand my personal limitations, and I’m looking forward to that.

Is it gonna be easy? Probably not... but that’s my problem.

flynd94 10-08-2019 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by Southern Fried (Post 2900640)
Time and upgrade will temper your thinking about the ease of this job. Your sentiment is a window to your level of experience. Is all of our flying hard? Of course not. BUT, there will be days you'll be scratching your head wondering what possessed you to pursue this career. If it hasnt happened yet, you havent been doing it long enough.

Guess I haven’t been doing it long enough (15yrs), still think it’s a easy job


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