Pilots are Dumb
08-24-2019 | 11:08 AM
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Pilots are Dumb
Or so thinks Subodh and this current management team.
24 August 2019
It has come to our attention that ExpressJet CEO Subodh Karnik recently told a group of pilots in the EWR crew room that the Letter 2 has not been discussed because the Association has not brought anything to the company. This couldn't be further from the truth, and is Subodh's futile attempt to shift the blame from the real reason: management has been unwilling to negotiate in good faith after your MEC Negotiating Committee submitted numerous requests to meet and provided management negotiators a list of items to discuss. It is sad to think that our CEO either doesn't know or refuses to acknowledge the truth about Letter 2. However, we are working to ensure that our major partner is aware of our pilot group's concerns regarding Letter 2 and the overall health of our operation. Continue to read our MEC Updates if you want the facts about Letter 2 Negotiations. The Deal's Not Done.
It's also extremely sad that a multi-Billion dollar company chooses to have such a sad character lead their operation. It goes to show you what United thinks of their regional feeder. As an Expressjet employee you are a second, or even third class citizen.
If you are looking for a flow in your back pocket or to be treated as a professional, look elsewhere. This company has made it clear that we are just another one of their 8 or so feeders that is to be whipsawed at all times against the others.
The Union most certainly has met with the company. To date, they have met with them nearly 2 dozen times and with multiple proposals (14 times when this was written June 20th).
Karnik doesn't pretend to hide his disdain for pilots or anyone who his below him for that matter. This has been his modus operandi at Commutair and a string of other airlines before that:
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/c...xpressjet.html
"20 June 2019
Last year, upon ratification of Contract 2018, the company made a promise to us in Letter 2 that they don't intend to keep. While we overwhelmingly ratified our contract with the expectation of further investment from the company through Letter 2 negotiations, we are learning management currently has no plan to follow through. In this update, we will discuss the overall negotiations process, who we negotiate with, and the status of current negotiations.
Your XJT Negotiating Committee (NC) is comprised of three volunteers: two members and a chairman. Cleveland line check pilot Captain Ivan Harris is the chairman of the Negotiating Committee. Chicago-based First Officer Robert Perryman and Newark-based First Officer Christopher Cadiz serve as committee members. All three NC members are full-time ALPA volunteers whose primary duties are to collect data, conduct extensive research and devise a strategy for negotiations with management. We present our ideas, findings, and the outcome of our discussions with management to the XJT MEC (your elected representatives and officers). We operate with direction from the MEC.
In addition, ALPA provides us with an abundance of resources. They employ individuals who specialize in economics, retirement and insurance, collective bargaining, contract enforcement, safety, security, and many, many more. A very important asset on the NC is our ALPA attorney, Erin Shields. She has decades of experience both in private practice, as well as ALPA work. Erin meets with us in ATL or IAH to provide advice on legal, negotiation tactics, as well as past experience. We also use ALPA's Economics & Financial Analysis department to cost out proposals and individual items.
Our meetings with management typically take place with Vice President of Flight Operations Greg Wooley, Director of Flight Operations Darrin Grubel, and Director of Crew Support John Kane. While these three individuals are presently working as managers, they are also captains on our pilot seniority list who started at either legacy ASA or XJT.
Greg, Darrin, and John are always open to meeting with us when we request a meeting with them. During these meetings, we discuss operational and training department issues and present solutions to help remedy these challenges, improve quality of life, and/or improve the efficiency of the operation in a way that benefits both the company and the pilot group.
Letter 2, an integral part of Contract 2018, is an agreement between the Association and XJT management to return to negotiations "shortly after" Contract 2018 was ratified in order to continue negotiations for those areas of the contract that management did not have time to explore prior to ratification (as we have explained in recent communications). Letter 2 is not an exhaustive list, but it is more or less a placeholder to allow for continued negotiations after contract ratification and the purchase was complete.
Since the beginning of this year, your NC has met with management 14 times: January 2nd and 29th, February 12th, 20th, 25th and 26th, March 11th, April 9th and 17th, and May 1st, 14th, 15th, 21st and 22nd. At our April 17th meeting, we passed management a proposal for what we are calling Pilot Notification. The Pilot Notification proposal discusses what is and is not proper notification for reassignment, as well as who is and is not authorized to notify a pilot of a change to their schedule. This proposal also encompassed possible methods by which pilots could be notified by ACARS and our EFBs. Your MEC and NC fully understand that either of these means of notification must be accompanied by gains for the pilot group (that would in turn bring our contract in line with our peers in the industry who are constantly raising the bar), and therefore the Pilot Notification proposal carries a hefty price tag for the company.
We attempted continued discussions with the company about Pilot Notification on May 1st, 14th, 15th, 21st and 22nd. However, despite their promise to negotiate in Letter 2, management has clearly expressed to us that they expect to receive contractual benefits without monetarily investing anything into the pilot group in return. This comes at a time when other airlines (Piedmont and PSA, for example) are investing significantly into their pilot groups in order to improve their operations, while we scramble to cover too much flying with too few pilots.
24 August 2019
It has come to our attention that ExpressJet CEO Subodh Karnik recently told a group of pilots in the EWR crew room that the Letter 2 has not been discussed because the Association has not brought anything to the company. This couldn't be further from the truth, and is Subodh's futile attempt to shift the blame from the real reason: management has been unwilling to negotiate in good faith after your MEC Negotiating Committee submitted numerous requests to meet and provided management negotiators a list of items to discuss. It is sad to think that our CEO either doesn't know or refuses to acknowledge the truth about Letter 2. However, we are working to ensure that our major partner is aware of our pilot group's concerns regarding Letter 2 and the overall health of our operation. Continue to read our MEC Updates if you want the facts about Letter 2 Negotiations. The Deal's Not Done.
It's also extremely sad that a multi-Billion dollar company chooses to have such a sad character lead their operation. It goes to show you what United thinks of their regional feeder. As an Expressjet employee you are a second, or even third class citizen.
If you are looking for a flow in your back pocket or to be treated as a professional, look elsewhere. This company has made it clear that we are just another one of their 8 or so feeders that is to be whipsawed at all times against the others.
The Union most certainly has met with the company. To date, they have met with them nearly 2 dozen times and with multiple proposals (14 times when this was written June 20th).
Karnik doesn't pretend to hide his disdain for pilots or anyone who his below him for that matter. This has been his modus operandi at Commutair and a string of other airlines before that:
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/c...xpressjet.html
"20 June 2019
Last year, upon ratification of Contract 2018, the company made a promise to us in Letter 2 that they don't intend to keep. While we overwhelmingly ratified our contract with the expectation of further investment from the company through Letter 2 negotiations, we are learning management currently has no plan to follow through. In this update, we will discuss the overall negotiations process, who we negotiate with, and the status of current negotiations.
Your XJT Negotiating Committee (NC) is comprised of three volunteers: two members and a chairman. Cleveland line check pilot Captain Ivan Harris is the chairman of the Negotiating Committee. Chicago-based First Officer Robert Perryman and Newark-based First Officer Christopher Cadiz serve as committee members. All three NC members are full-time ALPA volunteers whose primary duties are to collect data, conduct extensive research and devise a strategy for negotiations with management. We present our ideas, findings, and the outcome of our discussions with management to the XJT MEC (your elected representatives and officers). We operate with direction from the MEC.
In addition, ALPA provides us with an abundance of resources. They employ individuals who specialize in economics, retirement and insurance, collective bargaining, contract enforcement, safety, security, and many, many more. A very important asset on the NC is our ALPA attorney, Erin Shields. She has decades of experience both in private practice, as well as ALPA work. Erin meets with us in ATL or IAH to provide advice on legal, negotiation tactics, as well as past experience. We also use ALPA's Economics & Financial Analysis department to cost out proposals and individual items.
Our meetings with management typically take place with Vice President of Flight Operations Greg Wooley, Director of Flight Operations Darrin Grubel, and Director of Crew Support John Kane. While these three individuals are presently working as managers, they are also captains on our pilot seniority list who started at either legacy ASA or XJT.
Greg, Darrin, and John are always open to meeting with us when we request a meeting with them. During these meetings, we discuss operational and training department issues and present solutions to help remedy these challenges, improve quality of life, and/or improve the efficiency of the operation in a way that benefits both the company and the pilot group.
Letter 2, an integral part of Contract 2018, is an agreement between the Association and XJT management to return to negotiations "shortly after" Contract 2018 was ratified in order to continue negotiations for those areas of the contract that management did not have time to explore prior to ratification (as we have explained in recent communications). Letter 2 is not an exhaustive list, but it is more or less a placeholder to allow for continued negotiations after contract ratification and the purchase was complete.
Since the beginning of this year, your NC has met with management 14 times: January 2nd and 29th, February 12th, 20th, 25th and 26th, March 11th, April 9th and 17th, and May 1st, 14th, 15th, 21st and 22nd. At our April 17th meeting, we passed management a proposal for what we are calling Pilot Notification. The Pilot Notification proposal discusses what is and is not proper notification for reassignment, as well as who is and is not authorized to notify a pilot of a change to their schedule. This proposal also encompassed possible methods by which pilots could be notified by ACARS and our EFBs. Your MEC and NC fully understand that either of these means of notification must be accompanied by gains for the pilot group (that would in turn bring our contract in line with our peers in the industry who are constantly raising the bar), and therefore the Pilot Notification proposal carries a hefty price tag for the company.
We attempted continued discussions with the company about Pilot Notification on May 1st, 14th, 15th, 21st and 22nd. However, despite their promise to negotiate in Letter 2, management has clearly expressed to us that they expect to receive contractual benefits without monetarily investing anything into the pilot group in return. This comes at a time when other airlines (Piedmont and PSA, for example) are investing significantly into their pilot groups in order to improve their operations, while we scramble to cover too much flying with too few pilots.
08-25-2019 | 02:59 AM
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When pilots are about to leave for another airline, why not use all of your sick time? FOs concerned about CPP attendance records, should get hired at C5 once you finish using all of your sick time at XJT. United will pay you a bonus to leave XJT and go to C5 and you start with a clean record. This is United’s problem they created.
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