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DoSomePilotStuf 12-05-2019 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by SpinTwo (Post 2934064)
Yes, even if you get a line worth 75 hrs and trade a trip to get down to say 68.5 hrs you still get the EQO if you have the same amount of duty periods (think days on).

It’s difficult to NOT get the EQO.

On the flip side you’ll likely get a line within months and be over 83.5 hrs. In this case you’re losing money.

It’s a double edged sword.

If you start OE the last week of the month and you pick up enough flying to take your credit over 70 (including the 50 or so hrs you get from 3 weeks of training pay) you get the EQO for that month. That’s how easy it is to get. Just show up.

SpinTwo 12-05-2019 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by Lowfly (Post 2934067)
Ok I get that. Didn’t think about making less once you hit that point in hours. I’d still want to work more tho so I can build time and get payed more even if it’s less than the other guys. It’s better than Envoy. Was told by a recuiter there, I’d not even fly min guarantee after months of reserve.

That is true. However, things will turn around very quickly and those pilots will be flying their butts off too.

Not to mention everyday the calendar ticks off they’re one day closer to the right seat at American.

I’d gladly sit reserve for a few months in exchange for FLOW and $10 more an hour. Time goes by fast not to mention many will long for those reserve months once they’re flying 90+ hrs a month and have 12 hard days off.

It’s all relative.

MooseAg03 12-05-2019 01:06 PM

EQO sucks for mil guys. I had to drop mil leave for drill this month, that brings me down to 67.5 hrs. I have to try to work my reserve bid to get days off for drill and then that takes me to 10 days off for the month in order to keep my 75 min. Once I’m re-qual’d in my MWS, I have to serve minimum 6 days at the guard unit. I will never see the EQO. Two days of guard pay outweighs the loss, but it’s the principle of the company saving money on my back because they’re too cheap to match market hourly rates.



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flynd94 12-05-2019 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by SpinTwo (Post 2934085)

I’d gladly sit reserve for a few months in exchange for FLOW and $10 more an hour.

It’s all relative.

That will never happen. It’s been a pipe dream of the lifers at Xjet for the last 5 years.

SpinTwo 12-05-2019 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2934376)
That will never happen. It’s been a pipe dream of the lifers at Xjet for the last 5 years.

I agree. It’s also one of the reasons the 145 fleet has shrunk from 95 airframes down to 65 due to lack of crews.

Subpar pay, no flow and an aging fleet of planes passengers want no part in (or new hires).

CaseTractor 12-05-2019 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by MooseAg03 (Post 2934374)
EQO sucks for mil guys. I had to drop mil leave for drill this month, that brings me down to 67.5 hrs. I have to try to work my reserve bid to get days off for drill and then that takes me to 10 days off for the month in order to keep my 75 min. Once I’m re-qual’d in my MWS, I have to serve minimum 6 days at the guard unit. I will never see the EQO. Two days of guard pay outweighs the loss, but it’s the principle of the company saving money on my back because they’re too cheap to match market hourly rates.



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I’ve been saying this all along, seems no one cares or doesn’t affect enough for people to care. For the EQO to not be a direct USERRA violation, Mil time should be counted credit towards EQO just like sick time. Otherwise, Mil folks are not being afforded the same opportunities (the pay in this case) that the civilian counterparts are. An appropriate hourly rate would solve this, but the EQO is a caveat that allows the company to not pay a Significant portion of folks for various reasons, not just Mil. The attitude that EQO is easy to make misses the whole point; it’s a tool for the company to not pay fair rates wherever they can. EQO was a mistake to agree to.

Mil guys on reserve are hit the hardest, but I’m sure a commuter clause while on reserve could hose you too. It’s tough to make up time for anyone on reserve with 11 days off

DirkDiggler 12-05-2019 06:10 PM

EQO is a gimmick and needs to go.

DirkDiggler 12-12-2019 05:54 PM

Another update from today:

12 December 2019

Today marks the one-year anniversary of the signing of Contract 2018. Letter 2, an integral part of Contract 2018, is an agreement between the Association and XJT management to return to negotiations "shortly after" the ratification of Contract 2018 in order to continue negotiations for those areas of the contract that the parties did not have time to explore prior to its ratification.

Exactly one year later, we are disappointed to report that The Deal is STILL Not Done.

Throughout Letter 2 negotiations, the company has maintained a number of significant concessionary asks, yet to date has offered very little in return. By the end of this week's bargaining session, the company's proposal included four concessionary items.

Your XJT Negotiating Committee's proposal contains several much-needed items that address quality of life, and items that would have made ExpressJet competitive for attracting and retaining pilots.

To date, our flight and ground instructors have yet to be provided an opportunity to discuss and negotiate their proposed items. A meeting was scheduled and confirmed by the company on two separate occasions to do just that, only to be cancelled by the company with only two business days' notice. On the final day of our bargaining session this week, the company offered a few days at the end of January to negotiate flight and ground instructor items. When asked when the company will have a response to the Negotiating Committee's current proposal, the company representatives stated that it would not respond until we meet in January.

The Negotiating Committee has continuously requested additional bargaining dates to continue Letter 2 negotiations. The company's unwillingness to dedicate the time necessary to come to a negotiated solution in a timely manner is concerning. To say we are disappointed with the lack of progress and the company's seeming lack of commitment or interest in getting to a deal would be an understatement. Our pilots, flight instructors and ground instructors deserve better.

Av8tor8710 12-12-2019 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2937896)
Another update from today:

12 December 2019

Today marks the one-year anniversary of the signing of Contract 2018. Letter 2, an integral part of Contract 2018, is an agreement between the Association and XJT management to return to negotiations "shortly after" the ratification of Contract 2018 in order to continue negotiations for those areas of the contract that the parties did not have time to explore prior to its ratification.

Exactly one year later, we are disappointed to report that The Deal is STILL Not Done.

Throughout Letter 2 negotiations, the company has maintained a number of significant concessionary asks, yet to date has offered very little in return. By the end of this week's bargaining session, the company's proposal included four concessionary items.

Your XJT Negotiating Committee's proposal contains several much-needed items that address quality of life, and items that would have made ExpressJet competitive for attracting and retaining pilots.

To date, our flight and ground instructors have yet to be provided an opportunity to discuss and negotiate their proposed items. A meeting was scheduled and confirmed by the company on two separate occasions to do just that, only to be cancelled by the company with only two business days' notice. On the final day of our bargaining session this week, the company offered a few days at the end of January to negotiate flight and ground instructor items. When asked when the company will have a response to the Negotiating Committee's current proposal, the company representatives stated that it would not respond until we meet in January.

The Negotiating Committee has continuously requested additional bargaining dates to continue Letter 2 negotiations. The company's unwillingness to dedicate the time necessary to come to a negotiated solution in a timely manner is concerning. To say we are disappointed with the lack of progress and the company's seeming lack of commitment or interest in getting to a deal would be an understatement. Our pilots, flight instructors and ground instructors deserve better.

Lol, “give us these four things and in return we’ll give you.....nothing”.

DirkDiggler 12-12-2019 06:00 PM

We must be in the twilight zone. It's time for the union to unleash the fury with their marketing campaigns. Enough is enough.


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