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Originally Posted by WhatsV1
(Post 2933903)
Other airlines have worse rules and leave people sitting at home or in a crashpad without the hope of flying. I see what youre saying and it is something that needs to be fixed but, the contract is pretty good compared to others. Not the best but, better than many overall. Its important for new/prospective hires to know that.
The contract, incentives and career progression isn’t enough and hasn’t been enough to get it done in the new hire department for a long time. More bold moves need to be made to reverse that course. |
Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
(Post 2929021)
I don’t disagree with this statement, but YOU specifically should be listened to with a grain of salt. You freely admit this job isn’t your livelihood. It’s easy to talk tough with somebody else’s life.
I’m not starting an argument with you, I just feel like you are one of the loudest....and it affects you the least.....as YOU have claimed many times. Again....not saying ANY of what you say isn’t 100% correct. He does work here, although it’s not his main breadwinner gig. Shouldn’t you both be taken with a grain of salt? Honestly, this is the Internet so everyone should be taken with a grain of salt... |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2894513)
I didn’t realize that. Yeah that’s crap. It really makes no sense to me why the company wouldn’t want to go ahead and roll it into the hourly rate. It can’t cost them that much more and it would be better for all parties. The company wants to recruit so roll that into hourly rates and advertise it.
I’m not trying to defend it, I just think if someone is coming on here looking for “facts” and that is what we are saying we are trying to tell, let’s include this. To leave it out of a conversation that’s supposed to be about shedding light on reality seems to me to discredit the entire message. |
Originally Posted by Lowfly
(Post 2933948)
I was told the EQO was based on your credit not block. So if you sit reserve for a month you still credit 75 hours and after 3 months you will have over the 210 hours needed? Is this wrong?
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Originally Posted by SpinTwo
(Post 2933924)
Yes, I agree it’s better than the Trans States Holdings, Commutair and Mesa. We cannot hold a candle to the American and Delta wholly owned outfits however.
The contract, incentives and career progression isn’t enough and hasn’t been enough to get it done in the new hire department for a long time. More bold moves need to be made to reverse that course. Have you seen Endeavor’s commuter clause? We have far better career progression than the others. A 9 year flow? DGI after 5 years of service? How about 1000 hr upgrade and an Aviate interview as soon as you feel ready for it. And yes you can pass the interview. Simply treat it like you are interviewing at Delta OTS, work your butt off and prepare, and check your attitude at the door. |
Originally Posted by Arliss
(Post 2934046)
100% correct. Even sick and vacation counts towards the 75.
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Originally Posted by Arliss
(Post 2934046)
100% correct. Even sick and vacation counts towards the 75.
The issue comes when people want to fly more than 83.5 hrs a month. At that point you’re flying for $5-10 less an hr than 90% of the other carriers out there. At this point the majority of lines are all over that threshold. Small tweaks to this airline could really get things turned around and is headed in a good direction with some momentum. The overall contract, infrastructure, training department and backing is all there. A solid foundation. These decisions are out of our control of the pilots, flight attendants and our very underpaid maintenance technicians. |
Originally Posted by Arliss
(Post 2934046)
100% correct. Even sick and vacation counts towards the 75.
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Originally Posted by Lowfly
(Post 2934059)
Ok so if I sit reserve for 3 months and never break min guarantee I still get the EQO?
It’s difficult to NOT get the EQO. On the flip side you’ll likely get a line within months and be over 83.5 hrs. In this case you’re losing money. It’s a double edged sword. |
Originally Posted by SpinTwo
(Post 2934058)
Yes, there isn’t that many strings attached to it. Overall very fair and easy to get. 60 hrs is the minimum for a line holding pilot so about one two day is all it takes to get to 70 hrs.
The issue comes when people want to fly more than 83.5 hrs a month. At that point you’re flying for $5-10 less an hr than 90% of the other carriers out there. At this point the majority of lines are all over that threshold. Small tweaks to this airline could really get things turned around and is headed in a good direction with some momentum. The overall contract, infrastructure, training department and backing is all there. A solid foundation. These decisions are out of our control of the pilots, flight attendants and our very underpaid maintenance technicians. Ok I get that. Didn’t think about making less once you hit that point in hours. I’d still want to work more tho so I can build time and get payed more even if it’s less than the other guys. It’s better than Envoy. Was told by a recuiter there, I’d not even fly min guarantee after months of reserve. |
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