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Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR
(Post 2980801)
60-70 per month is just not happening. They’re currently attracting 7-10 a class (held on a weekly basis). That’s 30-40 a month... Not sure where you get your math.
The street captains aren’t showing up at the moment and there’s just not enough to go around like there was in times past with many carriers competing for the same talent and willing to throw down big money in bonuses to acquire them. United wants these senior pilots to apply to be street captains at Commutair to fly old ExpressJet planes but at a cheaper rate. Much the same of what they do with the ramp workers at the outstations. I’m sure some will do just that but I’m thinking the vast majority will try and bail for the likes of Jet Blue, Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant, Envoy and others from what I’ve been hearing. In the end United looses a lot of pilots feeding their operation. |
Originally Posted by StuckOnReserve
(Post 2981093)
I took his comments of 70/ month as sarcasm since only 40/month are showing up for class.
The street captain concept isn't something that appealing someone who's already at a 121 carrier with a competitive upgrade time. It will be interesting to someone in who qualifies with military, 91K, or 135 time who wants to come over to 121 without starting out at YR1-FO Pay. Did you really just clump Envoy into the same group of LCC's? Experienced pilots leaving for LCC's to fly mainline aircraft, absolutely. But Envoy in with that group, seriously? Same Pay ( when you add in EQO), same equipment, same destination, same job flying mainline passengers for regional pay. Who is going to leave for that? Envoys flow is 8yrs so that not a perk, and if you wander over to the Envoy forum they are disgruntled as you are. This is your exit strategy, not the vast majorities. You posted this as your plan when you got the Aviate TNBT You are correct, the high time FO’s and CA’s will bail for the LCC’s and other operators and those left not able to go there will fill other regionals with bases in the Northeast. Those who can compete with pay, a flow or other incentives will benefit. You really believe people will long distance commute for an extended time at regional pay? Not from what I’m hearing.. |
Originally Posted by SeeYa
(Post 2980078)
where do you people come up with this stuff
CLE closing was already announced and DEN is “West” of IAH so... who really knows. |
The "nda protected" bad news still hasn't been released. No idea what it could be, if there even is something. Not sure what the point of bluffing would be by that guy, except maybe to get attention? However if he's credible and just wants to warn the pilot group, I wish it would leak out somehow.
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Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR
(Post 2981172)
You really believe people will long distance commute for an extended time at regional pay? Not from what I’m hearing.. I also never said that people wouldn't leave a 121 for a DEC opportunity. I said it wasn't appealing to someone at a carrier with a competitive upgrade time meaning 1000-1500 hrs. If someone is at an airline where upgrades are 3 years or further out, sure they are going to jump, or if making the jump significantly increases their quality of life. I just said that Envoy wasn't a better option. just to do the same thing all because of 8 year flow, and I scoffed at the concept of considering them on par with a LCC. Piedmont makes makes more sense, short commute down to PHL and there they are flowing twice as fast as Envoy. |
Originally Posted by watch
(Post 2980717)
200 pilots domiciled in EWR would quit the company. Including 12+ year CAs who have 4 weeks vacation per year, IE much more expensive than street captains they will be replaced by.
good thing they're hiring 60-70 per month, it won't really affect operations. The company could shut down EWR and lose those 118 line holders without blinking. It's more like 30 a month right now |
I’m a little confused about what is going on here. Could someone please explain?
I’m not at a regional but right now I’m interested in ExpressJet. |
Originally Posted by ThisIsMe17
(Post 2981380)
I’m a little confused about what is going on here. Could someone please explain?
I’m not at a regional but right now I’m interested in ExpressJet. |
Originally Posted by ThisIsMe17
(Post 2981380)
I’m a little confused about what is going on here. Could someone please explain?
I’m not at a regional but right now I’m interested in ExpressJet. Sibling rivalry between L-XJT and L-ASA pilots fighting over contract issues. A conversation from a Facebook pilots XJT group has spilled over onto APC because here we can share our opinions and hide behind anonymous screen names Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR
(Post 2981187)
SH company e-mail a couple months ago saying EWR, CLE and ORD possibly shrinking or closing with Go-Jet moving in with dual class aircraft and more flying “Southwest”.
CLE closing was already announced and DEN is “West” of IAH so... who really knows. |
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