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Melit 02-10-2020 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by StuckOnReserve (Post 2973921)
I don’t think they were “ours”. We just expected to get them.




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Are you going to point me in the right direction where Boeing is telling Embraer what to do? Or did you make that up? Is okay if you did

SeeYa 02-10-2020 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by HighWingingIt (Post 2974188)
As far as I know those 19 remaining 175’s still have yet to be assigned to someone

that’s my understanding as well. Also, not even sure if they are guaranteed orders either. If United does decide to pull
the trigger I’d say their is a chance XJT could get them but hell I wouldn’t count on it. Scope is also
an issue too, they’d have to replace 19 70 seaters somehow

Cessna182TypeR 02-10-2020 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2974204)
What’s interesting when I talk to DAL pilots and my friends that are at DAL they are jealous of how many wide body jets at UA. UA has more top paying jobs then DAL, profit sharing isn’t a sure thing.

My last trip talking with a DAL crew about progression. I told them I had 16 years left at UA and I will retire as an equivalent as a 767 CA. The new hire FO (same age) will write as a NB CA.

it’s all perspective

Yep and that $50k in the bank now compounded will easily overcome the extra pay you’ll make for a few years as a 767 CA. Not everyone cares about flying a wide body plane internationally.

Again, perspective.

3400 02-10-2020 08:07 AM

Don’t underestimate the impact that an airline’s size has on recruiting. A lot of new hires view size and stability as one in the same, and bigger airlines, particularly OO YX MQ OH 9E and even YV are pretty well staffed. More airplanes, bases, and partners are a big sell to new hires.

The smaller airlines seem to have more trouble hiring. Tool over to the Piedmont forum, you’ll see the pilot group has shrunk and recruiting can’t keep up with attrition, even with the flow carrot. There’s whisperings that a Piedmont-Envoy merge may happen someday.

I agree that both EV and C5 have pieces that the other needs, and if they can both add more bases and appear more stable with a merge, it might be worthwhile.

Cessna182TypeR 02-10-2020 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by 3400 (Post 2974261)
Don’t underestimate the impact that an airline’s size has on recruiting. A lot of new hires view size and stability as one in the same, and bigger airlines, particularly OO YX MQ OH 9E and even YV are pretty well staffed. More airplanes, bases, and partners are a big sell to new hires.

The smaller airlines seem to have more trouble hiring. Tool over to the Piedmont forum, you’ll see the pilot group has shrunk and recruiting can’t keep up with attrition, even with the flow carrot. There’s whisperings that a Piedmont-Envoy merge may happen someday.

I agree that both EV and C5 have pieces that the other needs, and if they can both add more bases and appear more stable with a merge, it might be worthwhile.

^*^^What he/she said.

flynd94 02-10-2020 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR (Post 2974260)
Yep and that $50k in the bank now compounded will easily overcome the extra pay you’ll make for a few years as a 767 CA. Not everyone cares about flying a wide body plane internationally.

Again, perspective.

You are new to the industry, profit sharing is relatively new. It’s based on certain benchmarks being met. As quick as it’s shown up it can go away.

I will take higher paying WB seats, 16% DC and better career progression over a PS that can disappear.

What are you doing to get out of evil Xjet/UAX system? Head over the other forums. The grass isn’t always greener. AA wholly owned are claiming about subpar pay. EDV pilots complain about the low pass rate on their program.

Cessna182TypeR 02-10-2020 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2974274)
You are new to the industry, profit sharing is relatively new. It’s based on certain benchmarks being met. As quick as it’s shown up it can go away.

I will take higher paying WB seats, 16% DC and better career progression over a PS that can disappear.

You are pretty bitter. What are you doing to get out of evil Xjet/UAX system? Head over the other forums. The grass isn’t always greener. AA wholly owned are claiming about subpar pay. EDV pilots complain about the low pass rate on their program.

Not bitter, we just have different perspectives. That’s very common on forums.

I’m gaining hours and experience to go to an LCC or even Envoy / Endeavor if EWR closes or shrinks small enough.

Endeavor may not have flow but they at least have great pay and contract. Envoy has a flow and their pay is better than ours. No EQO over there, just straight pay.

XJT is far from bad or evil but also not very competitive in the current market. The shrinking airline and very small new hire classes bear that out. Just think United could do more to make this airline attractive. Closing bases and fighting all three work groups isn’t helping anything.

Why do you still post here incessantly after leaving? Haven’t you moved on?

ReadOnly7 02-10-2020 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR (Post 2974260)
Yep and that $50k in the bank now compounded will easily overcome the extra pay you’ll make for a few years as a 767 CA. Not everyone cares about flying a wide body plane internationally.

Again, perspective.

I guess UAL did you a solid by not hiring you?

I totally understand how people are bitter when they aren’t selected.....but to then act like United sucks is pretty disingenuous. You clearly wanted to work there at one point.

falconkidding 02-10-2020 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 2974556)
I guess UAL did you a solid by not hiring you?

I totally understand how people are bitter when they aren’t selected.....but to then act like United sucks is pretty disingenuous. You clearly wanted to work there at one point.

You can think yo nited sucks and still want to work there. Like someone told me I'll bandage my wounds with 100$ bills and tough it out lol. I can think AA is a mess and dont care for deltas culture but I'd still work there in a heartbeat.

airlinepilot50 02-11-2020 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2974274)
You are new to the industry, profit sharing is relatively new. It’s based on certain benchmarks being met. As quick as it’s shown up it can go away.

I will take higher paying WB seats, 16% DC and better career progression over a PS that can disappear.

You are pretty bitter. What are you doing to get out of evil Xjet/UAX system? Head over the other forums. The grass isn’t always greener. AA wholly owned are claiming about subpar pay. EDV pilots complain about the low pass rate on their program.

How many years of life expectancy do you lose as a WB pilot?

ReadOnly7 02-11-2020 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2974857)
How many years of life expectancy do you lose as a WB pilot?

That’s an industry myth. People who are healthy and take care of themselves do just fine as WB pilots. The grossly overweight regional CA standing in line for Whataburger and Bullritos is limiting his life expectancy also.

airlinepilot50 02-11-2020 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 2974898)
That’s an industry myth. People who are healthy and take care of themselves do just fine as WB pilots. The grossly overweight regional CA standing in line for Whataburger and Bullritos is limiting his life expectancy also.

It's not a myth. WB sit for 12 plus hours, crossing multiple time zones each week. This reduces your life expectancy, ask any doctor.

flynd94 02-11-2020 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2974948)
It's not a myth. WB sit for 12 plus hours, crossing multiple time zones each week. This reduces your life expectancy, ask any doctor.

Everything in life can affect you one way or the other. Take care of your body and it will take care of you.

ps-I have talked with my docs at Northwestern and they agree with Read

ReadOnly7 02-11-2020 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2974948)
It's not a myth. WB sit for 12 plus hours, crossing multiple time zones each week. This reduces your life expectancy, ask any doctor.

you don’t sit for 12 hours....if you’re proactive. You get up, stretch your arms and legs, sleep a little bit. You also make the effort to get some exercise at your layover instead of feasting and drinking.

what you are saying is true of SOME people. Those guys are great. They will vacate the seniority list a little sooner for the rest of us.

Itsajob 02-11-2020 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2974948)
It's not a myth. WB sit for 12 plus hours, crossing multiple time zones each week. This reduces your life expectancy, ask any doctor.

You don’t just sit there for 12 plus hours. You sit for 6 hours, and then you’re horizontal for the duration in a very quiet and fairly comfortable bed. When I get to the layover I usually take a nap, exercise, and go have a healthy meal. After that it’s a good night sleep, a nice quiet breakfast, and then repeat. I feel much better doing this than when I was up and down multiple times a day, airport appreciation breaks, multiple bag drags to short layovers, etc. The difference in health stats is how people take care of themselves, not what type of flying they do.

701EV 02-11-2020 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 2974898)
That’s an industry myth. People who are healthy and take care of themselves do just fine as WB pilots. The grossly overweight regional CA standing in line for Whataburger and Bullritos is limiting his life expectancy also.

RO7,
It's no myth.
It's a proven fact.
Not sure how long you've been in the business.
Do some home work before you speak of what you do not know.

701EV

Itsajob 02-11-2020 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by 701EV (Post 2975175)
RO7,
It's no myth.
It's a proven fact.
Not sure how long you've been in the business.
Do some home work before you speak of what you do not know.

701EV


20+ years in a rj doesn’t exactly give one much room to say what long haul flying is like. For those that don’t take care of themselves it can put some hard miles on the body. I never see those guys in the gym. Once you learn what works for you, WB flying is what you make of it. I fly productive trips, get a bunch of sleep, and I’m in pretty good shape for a older guy. My trips involve a 12 hr duty day going out, and a 14 hour day heading home with a 3-3.5 hour break in the bunks. I don’t go bar hopping with the guys, but I’m much more healthy than those who do.

UnitedExpress 02-11-2020 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by watch (Post 2973705)
The NDA-limited poster has put their name and reputation on the line with the revelation that upcoming news is so bad that they are planning their exit from the company, and feels disloyal for not "spilling the beans" to the entire pilot group.

If nothing materializes, they will have lost credibility for "behind the scenes information". If something does materialize, I'll be surprised that it was not leaked. For now I maintain my belief that this is all standard rumor-mill / psychological warfare.

JB resigned today from his ALPA position after he basically yelled, “FIRE!” in the theatre. Apparently that was a violation of his NDA with what he said. This revelation he discovered could not be withheld from his coworkers because it supposedly directly effected their lives but he never shared what the news actually was in any detail. He just said, “Horrible things are coming soon! Get your logbooks up to date!” He got everybody all worked up and ALPA asked for his resignation. He should have went ahead and spilled the beans since he was asked to resign over it.

John Carr 02-11-2020 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by UnitedExpress (Post 2975253)
JB resigned today from his ALPA position after he basically yelled, “FIRE!” in the theatre. Apparently that was a violation of his NDA with what he said. This revelation he discovered could not be withheld from his coworkers because it supposedly directly effected their lives but he never shared what the news actually was in any detail. He just said, “Horrible things are coming soon! Get your logbooks up to date!” He got everybody all worked up and ALPA asked for his resignation. He should have went ahead and spilled the beans since he was asked to resign over it.

Wow, such a shame that such an astute, upstanding, and person of integrity had to step down....

Does that mean he'll resurface here under his 4-5th username and go back to flaming people?

SeeYa 02-11-2020 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by UnitedExpress (Post 2973890)
We are finally starting to see these mis-managed regionals that don't care about their pilot groups start to implode (Compass, now TSA). These companies won't be around much longer if they don't offer a flow to a LLC or start paying REAL wages. The USA has never seen a supply and demand job market this lopsided in (favor of the pilots) as what is about to happen in 2020 and beyond.

umm people generally liked flying for Compass. They just lost most of their flying...
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StuckOnReserve 02-12-2020 01:40 AM

Commuteair/xjt merge.
 

Originally Posted by UnitedExpress (Post 2975253)
JB resigned today from his ALPA position after he basically yelled, “FIRE!” in the theatre. Apparently that was a violation of his NDA with what he said. This revelation he discovered could not be withheld from his coworkers because it supposedly directly effected their lives but he never shared what the news actually was in any detail. He just said, “Horrible things are coming soon! Get your logbooks up to date!” He got everybody all worked up and ALPA asked for his resignation. He should have went ahead and spilled the beans since he was asked to resign over it.


He can’t spill the beans.He is still bound by the NDA and can probably be held personally liable for violating it.


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DirkDiggler 02-12-2020 06:30 AM

Well kudos to that JB guy if there is something truly outrageous going on and he lost his position over it by speaking up. The union needs more people who aren’t pushovers to volunteer.

701EV 02-12-2020 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 2975211)
20+ years in a rj doesn’t exactly give one much room to say what long haul flying is like. For those that don’t take care of themselves it can put some hard miles on the body. I never see those guys in the gym. Once you learn what works for you, WB flying is what you make of it. I fly productive trips, get a bunch of sleep, and I’m in pretty good shape for a older guy. My trips involve a 12 hr duty day going out, and a 14 hour day heading home with a 3-3.5 hour break in the bunks. I don’t go bar hopping with the guys, but I’m much more healthy than those who do.

Ok keep believing that you know more than Boston College and the University of Texas. A study was done by Fed Ex and Air Canada separately. Your body is affected by not going to sleep when your brain tells you it's sleep time. It's not just long haul flying it's night shift jobs also.
Tell that to one of our FA's whose husband dropped dead of a heart attack at the age of 59 in perfect health with no family history of heart problems. He worked at Fed Ex for 24 years. Ask any Fed Ex pilot. They joke we don't live long but we make lots of money.

One more thing Jr just because someone who may have been flying an RJ for over 20 years doesn't do something else on the side. Open your Eyes.

701EV

BusBoy88 02-12-2020 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by 701EV (Post 2975468)
Ok keep believing that you know more than Boston College and the University of Texas. A study was done by Fed Ex and Air Canada separately. Your body is affected by not going to sleep when your brain tells you it's sleep time. It's not just long haul flying it's night shift jobs also.
Tell that to one of our FA's whose husband dropped dead of a heart attack at the age of 59 in perfect health with no family history of heart problems. He worked at Fed Ex for 24 years. Ask any Fed Ex pilot. They joke we don't live long but we make lots of money.

One more thing Jr just because someone who may have been flying an RJ for over 20 years doesn't do something else on the side. Open your Eyes.

701EV

Well......you could go to FedEx and fly a wide body between Appleton and Madison during the daytime too. And just do 1 or 2 legs a day instead of 5.

flynd94 02-12-2020 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2975401)
Well kudos to that JB guy if there is something truly outrageous going on and he lost his position over it by speaking up. The union needs more people who aren’t pushovers to volunteer.

You couldn’t be further from the truth. He has never been good for the pilot group. He was/is a cancer. It started with his failed attempt with the RJDC suit, sowing the seeds of discontent between the 2 pilot groups, calling for illegal work actions and the list goes on. He is lucky to have a job at Xjet.

piloto2 02-12-2020 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 2974556)
I guess UAL did you a solid by not hiring you?

I totally understand how people are bitter when they aren’t selected.....but to then act like United sucks is pretty disingenuous. You clearly wanted to work there at one point.

Yeah, he definitely comes as someone with a case of sour grape syndrome.

Hou757 02-12-2020 04:18 PM

JB was/is nothing but trouble for this pilot group. Sorry he is now part of the legacy XJT group...

SureJetStick 02-13-2020 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2975609)
You couldn’t be further from the truth. He has never been good for the pilot group. He was/is a cancer. It started with his failed attempt with the RJDC suit, sowing the seeds of discontent between the 2 pilot groups, calling for illegal work actions and the list goes on. He is lucky to have a job at Xjet.

Oh hell he caused discontent between the pilots at ASA, let alone between the two pilot groups, way back when (BA reign), him and his gf. She still around?

flynd94 02-13-2020 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by SureJetStick (Post 2975988)
Oh hell he caused discontent between the pilots at ASA, let alone between the two pilot groups, way back when (BA reign), him and his gf. She still around?

no clue, she was a peach. I left for greener pastures last year

wmupilot85 02-13-2020 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by SureJetStick (Post 2975988)
Oh hell he caused discontent between the pilots at ASA, let alone between the two pilot groups, way back when (BA reign), him and his gf. She still around?

She is still around. And from what I've heard, the company is giving her a hard time about something, and he is all ****ed off over that.

PeakEGT 02-13-2020 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by wmupilot85 (Post 2976046)
She is still around. And from what I've heard, the company is giving her a hard time about something, and he is all ****ed off over that.

x2 I heard the same thing, which is why I find no validity to his statement.

Aquaticus 02-15-2020 12:39 PM

That guy was a pompous bafoon during the merger. If he had any credibility his comments might be cause for concern.

DirkDiggler 02-16-2020 11:36 AM

Does anybody have any inside info as to what may be going on that this guy got all upset about?

701EV 02-16-2020 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Aquaticus (Post 2977655)
That guy was a pompous bafoon during the merger. If he had any credibility his comments might be cause for concern.

Completely wrong. JB was looking out for the CRJ pilots at the time.

Oh he has credibility.

I take it you no longer work at XJT so you have NO idea what's going on here now.

701EV

ReadOnly7 02-16-2020 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by 701EV (Post 2978224)
Completely wrong. JB was looking out for the CRJ pilots at the time

Meh....it’s a matter of perspective. He tried to leave the ERJ guys to “die on the vine”, until the CRJ side needed a life raft. Then he did a complete 180. Then....once y’all had a safe haven, does ANOTHER complete 180 because the contract and bidding wasn’t to y’all’s liking.

It’s understandable why you think that’s ok. It’s also understandable why us former XJT guys think he’s less than dog mess on the bottom of our shoes. Perspective.

John Carr 02-16-2020 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by 701EV (Post 2978224)
Completely wrong. JB was looking out for the CRJ pilots at the time.

Oh he has credibility.

JB was looking out for JB.

Credibility?

Funny, once a lot of dirty laundry became public it was amazing how much of his toxic rhetoric simply wasn’t true.

Let us guess, you’re like his 3-4th sign in on here.

Cessna182TypeR 02-16-2020 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 2978181)
Does anybody have any inside info as to what may be going on that this guy got all upset about?

Whatever it is I think we will find find out in a few weeks. DSPS seems to be hinting as much.

BusBoy88 02-16-2020 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2978273)
JB was looking out for JB.

Credibility?

Funny, once a lot of dirty laundry became public it was amazing how much of his toxic rhetoric simply wasn’t true.

Let us guess, you’re like his 3-4th sign in on here.

THIS! That guy wasn't looking out for anyone but himself. Some of the things he may have advocated or argued for may have been to the benefit of a few senior ASA pilots but he didn't care about anyone but himself. I can't believe that guy got elected as an ALPA rep, lol. JB will do what's best for JB. He is and always will be better that he's stuck where he is for the rest of his career and blames everybody and everything but himself. He's lucky he still has a job and the ERJ side was nice enough to extend an olive branch when he was nothing but a divisive, selfish, buffoon during the entire merger process. The guy spread so many lies and falsehoods. He's a clown and I can't believe anyone takes him seriously.

afterburn81 02-16-2020 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2975609)
He is lucky to have a job at Xjet.

Got no love for the guy. Always been a tool. You just couldn’t resist an opportunity for a cold shot at an ex CRJ guy though.

Lucky lol. Sorry man, a pay cut, crappy contract and a serious liability of an aircraft don’t strike me as “lucking out”.

wmupilot85 02-16-2020 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by 701EV (Post 2978224)
Completely wrong. JB was looking out for the CRJ pilots at the time.

Oh he has credibility.

I take it you no longer work at XJT so you have NO idea what's going on here now.

701EV

As other have said JB only looks out for JB. This is coming from an ASA guy.


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