Nah, I'd say ALL of the ex-ASA pilots got lucky. If you disagree, you should have sought to be released from the group instead of getting a windfall on our seniority list. Unless you are retirement eligible, I'd say having a job is better than unemployment. Especially for the majority of the senior ASA pilots who are camped out on the 175. Next time you see a Mesa 175 you can thank the ASA MEC for that.
I wonder what the percentage of ex-ASA to XJT pilots is on the 175. The irony of that is not lost on me.

No idea what you are talking about but cool story.

If you are referring to living in base for decades, settling down with the family (can’t fault anyone for doing that), providing the company with the work they expected you to do for many many years, keeping healthy and dedicated to safely performing your job, then..................the company you have dedicated your whole adult life to suddenly decides they no longer want to do business with the company you work for and you must uproot your life to continue working under a similar income and a chance at flight benefits when you retire, is now the story of your life.........

I’d consider that “unlucky”. Misfortune had to occur before said pilot could get lucky enough to fly an ERJ. It’s all in your perspective. From my point of view, considering the lack of staffing at EV, the airline itself is the lucky one. Lucky that these guys decided to stick it out a little longer and make QOL sacrifices as well as pay cuts to provide the company with someone to fly their aircraft.

I get it though, if you were adversely affected by the seniority integration, you’d be bitter. Still though, would you have made the choice to hang up the wings knowing there was a chance that someone might be offended by moving down slightly on the seniority list?

Oh yeah the CJR side got so lucky.

This ERJ CBA is the biggest piece of $hit out there.

What I can't understand is the ERJ ALPA fought tooth and nail not to take anything from the CRJ contract. during the merger. All we heard is HOW GREAT the ERJ contract was. Let me tell you it's GARBAGE! You're just to stupid to know it.

701EV

In this instance the word is spelled too.

just saying

glass houses and all......

If you think the ERJ side fought tooth and nail to not take anything from the CRJ contract, that's probably just one of the lies JB told you. Or maybe some of the BS your former MEC chair was telling your pilot group so they could stay on their gravy train.

Point itsajob.

lol...

701EV

Yeah, cool story. If only it was just a story.

I'll spell it out for you. The majority of the 200 - 300 ASA pilots that actually came to the ERJ side are now our most senior pilots. Hence, most of the seats on our new 175s are taken by you. The ironic part is how the ASA MEC caused United to walk away from giving 175s to us during the period of time we were subject to the Transition and Process Agreement. Remember that meeting about a month before Mesa announced their new deal with United for 175s? Meh, maybe you don't know. Many of you don't.
So, next time you see a Mesa 175 taxiing around you can thank your very own ASA MEC for that. Those 175s could have been ours. But because they were destined to only come to the (at the time) current United partner (XJT), the ASA side decided that we wouldn't get any of them. Now those ASA pilots are flying the new XJT 175s. Irony.

You know, I get that you and 701 are all butt-hurt over having to survive on our "inferior" contract. But, at least your butt gets to ride in that 175, eh? Not so bad I'd say. As for having to commute, I guess you have to take the good with the bad sometimes. At least you can still feed your family and pay the mortgage, right? I'd say that's better than unemployment or going to the bottom of another regional airlines seniority list.

Some people just can't accept charity with a smile and a thank you.

Not stupid, just thankful for what I have. Unlike some of you.

And, tell me what else besides your PBS software we declined to accept? Why don't you educate us on that point. You sound like you know more about that than the average XJT pilot.

All I read here is, I’m a bitter person that can’t get over the fact that ASA and ExpressJet “merged”. Call sign ACEY. ASQ as an identifier, HQ in ATL, executive decision to fly one brand of aircraft. If you remember, the combined company was named “Surejet” for a short period of time. The people revolted. The company came up with a list of names to rename. ExpressJet was one. The people picked ExpressJet.


Just because the name of the company eventually became ExpressJet, doesn’t negate the fact that the operating certificate was merged. For the purpose of “One” company.

Speaking if luck, do you recall the conference call and announcement by SkyWest INC that ExpressJet was planned to be an all CRJ airline and all E145s were to be given back to the United. I personally remember this because I had many friends that flew the ERJ. I expressed my condolences and was passionate about ensuring everyone felt as if we were one company. I deserve this job equally. If the integration resulted in a necessary displacement, I’d find another job if I couldn’t hack it. Point of this story. EVERYONE is lucky. Things could have been drastically different and were planned to go that way.

One last thing. If you feel the CRJ MEC had the ability to control the fate of the company the degree that you described, ask any of us that flew all the CR7s and CR2s out to Skywest MX hangers around the country to transfer them to the OO certificate. Watching the company dismantle in front of our eyes.

Commuteair/xjt merge.
 

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The “lucky” ones got out.

The only thing I am bitter about is how so many senior ASA pilots have benefited from the windfall of the ISL at the XJT pilots expense. I could care less about our callsign, but the vote of all of the employees made our name. I think it is far superior to ASA. As for the conference call, I don't remember, nor do I care.

I never said anything about the ASA MEC controlling the fate of the company. Through the Transition and Process Agreement, each MEC had veto power over any significant changes to the status quo. The denial of 175s to the XJT side was a continuation of the tactics employed by the ASA MEC to attempt to eliminate the XJT side of the company.

You like to make personal attacks and talk about things that happen to every regional as though it was a personal attack on you. And no, you don't deserve this job equally. Unfortunate events happen that we cannot control. Like furlough. I was furloughed after9-11 simply because of the flowbacks from CAL flowing back and displacing me to the street. I didn't take it personally and I didn't whine about it. Expressjet continued to grow during that time, despite over 300 of us being furloughed. So what? These things happen and you move on with your life and look toward the future. You can't control it, why whine about it? So no, none of us deserve this job equally. Fortune does not apply to each of us equally. Like you said, everyone is lucky. It just doesn't happen to everyone equally or simultaneously.

Now, instead of all of your noise about what could have happened and what eventually happened to the CRJ side of our company, how about those 175s? No answer for that?

so what are the contenders on the rumor mill "awful news" coming?
a) Commutair XJT merger, seniority lists integrated by percentage not time.
b) Closure of EWR and/or TYS
c) Company "switching to PBS bidding"

any others?

Also, Why would C5 and EV merge? EV doesn't need their pilots, doesn't need the aircraft, and is lowering the amount of single-class flying out of EWR. It doesn't really make sense to me. I've been hearing that "it'll likely happen in a few years" ever since coming to EV.

Commuteair/xjt merge.
 

D) closure of EWR/ORD for a “western” domicile

where do you people come up with this stuff

The closure of EWR actually has some potential to it. UAL wants dual-class service up there. Closing ORD? Meh......maybe?

E) closure of EWR for 145 fleet consolidation at IAH. ORD maintains both types for a little bit longer


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200 pilots domiciled in EWR would quit the company. Including 12+ year CAs who have 4 weeks vacation per year, IE much more expensive than street captains they will be replaced by.
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good thing they're hiring 60-70 per month, it won't really affect operations. The company could shut down EWR and lose those 118 line holders without blinking.

If that’s the case why not close everything and start over?

60-70 per month is just not happening. They’re currently attracting 7-10 a class (held on a weekly basis). That’s 30-40 a month... Not sure where you get your math.

The street captains aren’t showing up at the moment and there’s just not enough to go around like there was in times past with many carriers competing for the same talent and willing to throw down big money in bonuses to acquire them.

United wants these senior pilots to apply to be street captains at Commutair to fly old ExpressJet planes but at a cheaper rate. Much the same of what they do with the ramp workers at the outstations.

I’m sure some will do just that but I’m thinking the vast majority will try and bail for the likes of Jet Blue, Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant, Envoy and others from what I’ve been hearing. In the end United looses a lot of pilots feeding their operation.

I took his comments of 70/ month as sarcasm since only 40/month are showing up for class.

The street captain concept isn't something that appealing someone who's already at a 121 carrier with a competitive upgrade time. It will be interesting to someone in who qualifies with military, 91K, or 135 time who wants to come over to 121 without starting out at YR1-FO Pay.

Did you really just clump Envoy into the same group of LCC's? Experienced pilots leaving for LCC's to fly mainline aircraft, absolutely. But Envoy in with that group, seriously? Same Pay ( when you add in EQO), same equipment, same destination, same job flying mainline passengers for regional pay. Who is going to leave for that? Envoys flow is 8yrs so that not a perk, and if you wander over to the Envoy forum they are disgruntled as you are. This is your exit strategy, not the vast majorities. You posted this as your plan when you got the Aviate TNBT

Not going to go back and fourth with you but plenty of regional carriers are getting DEC’s from other 121 carriers. Especially if a flow is involved with it. Guess time will tell if those other “pipelines” you mentioned will fill the DEC slots? We shall see.

You are correct, the high time FO’s and CA’s will bail for the LCC’s and other operators and those left not able to go there will fill other regionals with bases in the Northeast. Those who can compete with pay, a flow or other incentives will benefit.

You really believe people will long distance commute for an extended time at regional pay? Not from what I’m hearing..

SH company e-mail a couple months ago saying EWR, CLE and ORD possibly shrinking or closing with Go-Jet moving in with dual class aircraft and more flying “Southwest”.

CLE closing was already announced and DEN is “West” of IAH so... who really knows.

The "nda protected" bad news still hasn't been released. No idea what it could be, if there even is something. Not sure what the point of bluffing would be by that guy, except maybe to get attention? However if he's credible and just wants to warn the pilot group, I wish it would leak out somehow.

Nope, never said that.

I also never said that people wouldn't leave a 121 for a DEC opportunity. I said it wasn't appealing to someone at a carrier with a competitive upgrade time meaning 1000-1500 hrs. If someone is at an airline where upgrades are 3 years or further out, sure they are going to jump, or if making the jump significantly increases their quality of life.

I just said that Envoy wasn't a better option. just to do the same thing all because of 8 year flow, and I scoffed at the concept of considering them on par with a LCC.

Piedmont makes makes more sense, short commute down to PHL and there they are flowing twice as fast as Envoy.

It's more like 30 a month right now

I’m a little confused about what is going on here. Could someone please explain?

I’m not at a regional but right now I’m interested in ExpressJet.

Nothings happening, lol take 90% of what you hear on APC with a huge grain of salt.

Sibling rivalry between L-XJT and L-ASA pilots fighting over contract issues. A conversation from a Facebook pilots XJT group has spilled over onto APC because here we can share our opinions and hide behind anonymous screen names


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ORD and EWR are not gonna close dude

just EWR

filler

C5 getting a ORD crew base. Thats a good rumour!!

XJT is just salty that C5 is going to get the next batch of 175s. The mothership saw that it would help with recruitment in the short term, while keeping the pay below every other regional, just like at XJT when it was announced. Where there are shiny new jets, people will come!

I heard that C5 was going to be launch customer for the new Embraer Turboprop.


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Perhaps not too far off the mark..

Did Boeing tell Embraer to manufacture it ? You said before Boeing told Embraer to build a new 50 seater!

I was talking with the C5 DO recently and he said that Subodh's original plan at C5 was to retire the Dash, transition to the 145XRs and then go dual type with the 175. Sound familiar to you guys?

C5 is going to stay a single type shop, if for no other reason than we don't have the resources to manage two types. Hell, they just sent company-wide emails asking for LCPs, ground, and sim instructors because we're bleeding talent.

Tell us more about Subodh and his time at C5.

Commuteair/xjt merge.
 

https://aviationweek.com/special-top...raer-turboprop


https://www.flightglobal.com/airfram...134075.article

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Fortunately I joined just before United's puppet CEO took off to wreck XJT. All I can tell you is what I heard from other pilots here when they got to interact with the guy -- in short, Subodh absolutely hates pilots and thinks we're all a bunch of spoiled bus drivers. Needless to say, no one liked the guy and we were all really glad to see him go. Sadly, the jury is still out on our current CEO. He seems nicer than Subodh, but that's not saying much.

The one really funny story passed down during my initial training was how pi$$ed off Subodh got when, after continuing to wreck the airline by refusing to negotiate on pay and bennies, we were so short on sim instructors that they were being given huge bonus pay and one guy leveraged that to make more than Subodh did that year. Of course we can't have the minions making more than the clod at the helm, right? Naturally, he never did manage to fire more than two synapses concurrently, connect the dots, and realize this situation was of his own making, but that didn't stop him from forbidding the training department from paying premium after that.

What else can I say other than the airline business needs more Herb Kellehers and fewer Subodh Karnicks.