this is an unprecedented downtown where a pilot whose company becomes liquidated may very well be without a job in this field for years. Covid is much more daunting industry wide than 2008 or 2001. Also they’d be starting from scratch without their seniority, longevity and etc. the “Standing up for the team” maybe be a noble thought but there’s absolutely no leverage or a plan B unless that plan be involves getting out of the industry completely. While no one wants it and there’s no time to take concessions anyways, it actually makes sense. Worst part is that we’re only in this situation because of a Kirby whipsaw. Also if someone saying XJT should stand strong and die vs taking concessions they have no room if they work at many of the regionals that have weaker contracts/pay.

UAL announcement supposedly coming July 31st from what I’ve been reading. No one in management has said a word.

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Correct on both counts. The soon to be furloughed major pilot should encourage holding the line so she can come back to a high paying job.

The senior regional pilot with a family and no side hustle facing a liquidation is backed into a pretty nasty corner. Even if this hypothetical pilot had other skills, there isn’t a robust job market in any industry right now. There are markets where nurses can’t find work, which is insane and defies all logic.

Maybe UAL should offer a flow, staple or actually hire someone qualified from the Aviate program and it wouldn’t be so clogged up.

On the hold the line sentiment. If ALPA was half the union it thought it was it would be a lot easier to do so. If unions at ULCCs LCCs and majors would say i got you fam and put said group on a shortlist for hiring. Or if regionals had a default time served that let you start not getting fkd with newbie FO pay.

Or we could have one list and the only people getting furloughed would be people new to the industry. .... Nope every man for themselves gotta protect that chance at 330 dollars am hour.

you won’t NEED to fall on your sword....the headsman’s sword is sharp and wielded. Concessions can’t possibly achieve what’s being asked of y’all. Sucks.

Agreed, which is why my original post specifically stated I can understand their willingness and harbor no ill will. This reply was specifically to a claim that EV pilots holding the line is somehow a grandiose and meaningless gesture.

A scenario where EV guts their CBA and somehow gets below C5, resulting in C5 being shuttered would set the entire profession back. This isn’t just about regionals, the cost gap was closing to the point that whipsaws and outsourcing were losing their appeal, consolidation and even mild insourcing was happening. That was important to every pilot from student to 777 CA.

Here again I will reiterate that I can understand the impossible dilemma laid at senior EV pilots feet, but we shouldn’t lose perspective of the context and far reaching scale of such decisions.

Will ExpressJet survive this?
 

As a pilot with a family to take care of. My ability to put food on the table and keep a roof over their head is primary, the needs of the profession are secondary if not lower.


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Lets say XJT comes down to right above or even to match commutair, how does that drag down the industry as a whole when Mesa, commutair, air Wisconsin, Gojet and the former trans states are already on that level. It’s been one thing to lower the standard it’s entirely different to match the brand average.