Will ExpressJet survive this?
 

Scott Kirby basically said 50 seat RJs will not be around, for United, after all this settles

He dropped that today?

Yeah seems to be confirmed on their side of the forums too. Only question I have left right now is when.

appears to be the case

Kirby said "On the regional side, my guess is that the 50 seat aircraft will almost entirely be eliminated by the end of this. My guess is that 50 seat flying will be a thing of the past."

You don't have to trust me, but you should. I remember it bc it's seared into my memory.

That’s terrible news

You can read that two ways: he’s going to get rid of 50 seat flying -or- he thinks he has the position to get unlimited large RJ flying by eliminating scope because of this, which is what he’s always wanted. That would get rid of most 50 seat flying. Let’s all hope UALPA holds the line.

He said no matter what scenario they run you can count on almost all 50 seat flying to be gone.

is this specific to one airline or industry-wide ?

what regional is fat with 50 seaters ? (all of them?)

The only way that he will get what he wants is if a bankruptcy judge gives it to him. ALPA has been very clear that the pilots are not relaxing scope or agreeing to concessions.

Kirby works at United.

He was referring to the fleet outlook at UA. Said the 50 seaters will done. Sad.

Hey all, just want to clarify the above comments...since I am a new hire and have had my training put on hold. Should I consider alternate options? I want to wait on XJT, however I also know that things are so fluid at the moment that I am not promised anything.

Did he give a time period, and do you have a link to where /when he said it?

Think he said the recovery plan would almost have no 50 seat flying.

Yep. Recovery plan begins towards the end of the 4th quarter so if there is a drawdown of 50 seat flying, I’d imagine it would start in September. What this looks like for each individual airline is anyone’s guess but I heard it stated with my own ears on the call today. I Immediately thought of XJT (where I began my career in 1998) and the loss of the 175 flying and what this might mean. Hopefully, it means the 175s stay at XJT instead of being transferred to SkyWest with XJT being part owned by UAL. I’d imagine we should know something fairly soon given the statement making rounds around the industry right now.

Thanks for the info.

yea, when you go find jobs for the other thousands of pilots hitting the streets

That means he doesn’t plan to use 50 seaters to fly mainline routes. That doesn’t mean he plans to eliminate 50 seat flying.


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Is that what he meant? What 50 seat mainline flying does United currently have that he says won't survive this?

Union Update: 02 April 2020



All,


It was brought to our attention that during this afternoon's United Airlines Town Hall meeting, United Airlines President Scott Kirby spoke about simplifying the mainline fleet plan, which could include eliminating 50-seat aircraft from their fleet. No one from your ALPA leadership team was on the call to hear the context of these statements and ExpressJet leadership was also caught off guard by these comments. We are aware of the situation and are working to find out the details of this United plan and how ExpressJet fits into it. At this time, we still believe regional airlines play a critical role in servicing small, medium, and large cities in North America, and that the regional market is a necessary component of the overall United plan. We believe that ExpressJet will survive this economic downturn and continue to be a reliable partner for United. The second we know otherwise, we will clearly communicate that to you.

Please give us a day or two to figure out the details of the news that was shared today. We will keep you updated with MEC Alerts and Updates as warranted.

Who really knows what's going to happen IMO. This is unprecedented, there are runways filled with parked planes. Looking out our own flow board before and I'd say 70% of our planes aren't even online. Maybe we won't survive if this goes on for months, but that will be the least of our problems if the whole economy collapses.

No way to know for sure but if I were in your shoes, I'd apply to every jet cargo airline (prop operators too if I needed an income for than I needed jet SIC). Beat the rush, gonna be a line around the block in a few months.

Will ExpressJet survive this?
 

I just saw a clip of his comment that was posted on the pilot FB page. After hearing that...I’m not sure.

If it’s exactly what we think it is. C5, G7, ZW are going to be with us in the unemployment line.

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Thanks very much for the advice. I will definitely look into that. I know it’s a crazy time for everyone right now with so many uncertainties. I am thinking of all the pilots affected across the world. It definitely puts things into perspective how things can change so quick. All the best to you and everyone else.

link to video/audio?

Iv said all along that this will change the way the airlines operate on a massive level. 50 seat jets have a Roll in small markets that can only handle a single flight a day. Right now the 50 exists for frequency to placate the “business” traveler. Does United need 8 flights a day from DEN-DRO? Put bigger planes and cut to 3 a day morning afternoon and evening. The travelers will have to adapt.

what the hell are you talking about

There’s quite literally no context on the video clip. I don’t know how legal that video clip even is—I’d never post it myself anywhere, private or public space. I’d highly suggest nobody post it.

Will only work until a competitor offers 4 a day for a dollar cheaper. We’ve seen this game before. The last five years of capacity discipline at the majors is the outlier and shouldn’t be counted on to return in the race for market share after this.

maybe this is more safe to post. Not verified, but it’s something that seems kind of reputable

https://skift.com/2020/04/02/united-...ick-snap-back/

Isn’t every route a mainline route? The parent company decides if it is to be operated with a 777, 737, or E145. If he did say that 50 seat jets won’t be part of United after this is over, that would mean that 50 seat jets won’t fly United passengers. Still too many variables to know what he meant, or how any of this will actually pan out.

I’m not really sure about details concerning scope and fee for departure airlines or whatever. Heck, I’m not even old enough to reminder what 9/11 was like to live through, and 2008 too. So this might be a dumb question about how all this works. But if United has stake in companies like XJT and C5, why would they let them die and let SkyWest, Mesa and Republic live on with 70+ seat UA flying? Wouldn’t they want those jets transferred over? Again, I have no idea how this works.

United will be fighting for survival like everyone else, that will come with some very difficult decisions. SKYW and Republic will be at the table as will the other UAX carriers and will have the chance to answer when the question "what can you do to help" comes around. The bottom line will decide.

Yes, various regionals have loaned big sums to several majors since 9/11... pay to play. I'm guessing we haven't seen the end of that model.

This is the first time the whole world has been shutdown at once in history... unfortunately the damage has been done, while the media and everyone wants us focused on the virus, we are on the verge of a global great depression where the destruction will be talked about in history books 100 years from now. the majority of major airlines will lose 50-60% of their seniority lists and regionals will basically be shutting the doors. Sadly, the virus will seem like a picnic on the beach compared to what is around the corner. The fiat currency/petrodollar could possibly crash from this destroying the standard of living for majority of americans. The fiat currency system was so corrupted for so long and our founders warned us about this.... you are sadly watching the end of america. We were warned about this for sooo long and nobody listened, but here we are... this is not a blue or red thing either. Hug your family, get your guns and if you have extra cash laying around buy some Gold and Silver. Every time fiat currencies failed throughout history, Gold won every time... stock up on Gold, Guns, and Silver and food..... The so-called conspiracy theorists don't seem like nutjobs anymore LOL

no dude you totally sound like a nut, express jet may fail, anyone with 50 seaters probably will, SkyWest will make it, endeavor will make it, envoy, republic, etc...the fact the xjet has made it this far surprised me

United like any other carrier isn't going to ditch anything that can generate revenue, and generate it quick. No doubt things are going to change, but throwing all the 50 seat flying out the window wont happen.

No dude, you obviously are a very ignorant person who doesn't understand what is going on... this isn't just some random virus, you are watching the shutdown of the world. Have you not studied history, the history of money?? How long do you think the dollar/fiat currency will last? every country has been dumping the dollar little by little over the last 8 years and hoarding Gold.... what does that tell you?? I bet you didnt even know that, but im the nut. How can the central bank(the fed) buy unlimited assets with unlimited dollars which has never been done before?? Ever since that happened, the dollar has been dumped globally at the highest rate the last 2 weeks. I bet you don't even know what the petro-dollar is.... but im the nut.. Just be prepared bud... get you and your family ready. This depression won't be pretty

One is ownership of the jets.. SkyWest and Republic own most of there jets.. Second is cost to move them over, or cost to acquire more 80-76 seat jets. (UA doesnt have the Capital and “shell companies” like C5/XJT don't have the credit or capital.. Plus more RJ won’t even be needed in 6months-3 year time frame... just bad luck. Good luck to us all..

Alex, is that you?