which will park first, CR2 or EMB145

50% / 50% will be a balanced draw down. The question is who's CRJ2's and 145's get parked first.

This dude doesn't even know how to use an apostrophe, yet he thinks he knows what will happen with all of this.

It’s “Misery Loves Company” Melit. He’s an old, lonely sad sack that tries to make others miserable so he feels better...

The more he lashes out, the more unhappy he is. Poor little baby.

Kirby is doing two things; setting the regionals up for whip-saw while he has a timely opportunity and positioning himself for scope talks with UAL ALPA. It’s his playbook a la Eagle.

As a pilot at another UAX regional, I would love for this to be true, because it would mean, essentially, status quo.

Sadly, I think those sorts of games aren't on the table right now. Everyone, including Kirby, is in survival mode only at this point.

There's a time and a place for whip-saw tactics and union-busting, but I'm extremely skeptical anyone at any level is worried about much of anything except the veritable millions of dollars they are losing each DAY. He's not trying to figure out how to screw over one regional or another, he's trying to figure out how to not go broke.

Word.

Tin foil hat guys are thinking management has some sort of grand master plan to play with scope right now. That is nowhere near their top priorities right now. Managing this crunch, and especially dealing with the recovery is.

Mainline pilots will fly 50 seaters if it comes to that. They'll even do it for less than you do if that what it takes to save scope.

LOL! Yeah right. To be clear I’m only talking about the less pay than regional pilots part.

United pilots will allow a furlough before scope is relaxed, but I doubt that we’d vote to fly 50 seaters for that kind of pay. Those things have been living on borrowed time anyway. They are old, there is no replacement, and the customers don’t like them. If United pilots allowed more E175’s there would already be far less 50 seaters in the UAX fleet, but that isn’t the case. This deal simply accelerated the timeline.

I doubt anyone will be flying 50 seaters for much longer.

Oh rick rick rick....the isolation is starting to have an impact obviously.

Does anyone think if United dumps us that we will be picked up by another carrier?

Nope. Since United took it of SkyWest's hand, if they drop it, its done.

Midwest Express is looking for another contractor after Elite Airways pulled out.

inited owns all the 145s. Doubt they would let them go to another carrier.

Will ExpressJet survive this?
 

If United can make $ off the lease they wouldn’t care.


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United wouldn’t want to sell an asset to a competitor to be used against them. That would be like selling arms to your enemy during a war just to make a buck. They could potentially sell them to some foreign company though.

jet suite x maybe?

I don’t know. The 50 seaters were approaching the end of their service before this. My guess is that they will end up like the Saab 340 and the BE 1900, they just go away. Scope is maxed out, so there are no more rj’s to be had. I guess we’ll all have a pretty good idea of what the plan is as October 1 approaches.

There is so much unknown at this point. The XR’s seem to have some life left in them and could be the only ones standing after this.

Not to mention if United files bankruptcy anything can happen with scope. Plenty of pilots may try to bend scope in order to save jobs.

Can possibly expect see the 550s around as UAX 50 seat flying, Kirby to go after FA union scope in addition to pilot scope limits and XJT and C5 flying 175s in the long run, potentially as UAL Wholly Owned subsidiaries.

If the company files for bankruptcy, all bets are off and we’re all screwed. United would face years of stagnation and the regional pilots would be stuck there for a really long time. As far as the United pilots bending scope goes, I wouldn’t bet on it. This pilot group is a combination of senior guys who had years of stagnation, people who were furloughed (some twice) while the regionals expanded, and people who were stuck at a regionals for decades because of relaxing scope. Every United pilot that I have flown with would rather burn the place to the ground than weaken our scope language.

Will ExpressJet survive this?
 

Doubt that...
There are only 33 550’s and the the additional 20 are on hold.

Besides the 550 being a multi class aircraft is a bigger threat to mainline flying than the 145s. Also UAL owns the 145s, the 550’s are leased

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Thought United leases the 145’s as well? Or are they all payed off?

I think the LR’s are paid off. The XR’s are probably still under a factory lease. Still probably better terms than Skywest.


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The 550 being dual class is why United likes it. The single class, tiny cabin, E145 and CRJ 200 is what the customers hate. It may be a ride from point a to b, but it is a poor product.

small cabin is definitely what's keeping people out of the skies

I agree the UAL likes the 550. But their are only 33 of them. Not enough to build a fleet. Cabin wise it’s the same width of tube as the 200, just longer. passengers don’t about length as much as they do girth. They would rather have a 737 or an A320.


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lol all about that girth

That’s the big money question. And the answer lies with the financial and accounting staff in the Willis Tower. If losing money on XJT and C5 means UAL has a better chance of survival going forward. They will cut XJT and C5 in a heartbeat.


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A big part of it is that SkyWest (I don’t know about Republic) owns the 175’s that they fly, where other airlines don’t. United can shuffle around the equipment that they own, but they can’t transfer something owned by another company. Rather than have to buy a bunch of replacement rj’s and cut SkyWest out, it’s most likely cheaper to pay them to fly. I don’t know how many 175’s that United owns, or who is flying them, but moving them to another company could be expensive. Unfortunately for the employees, an airline that only flys an airplane that is slated for retirement makes it a pre packaged entity that can easily be cut.

I want to say 49. 25 that were given to us, and I think 24 that republic and Mesa split maybe 3 years ago. There may be more but off the top of my head that’s all I can think of.

Mesa has a total of 60 E175s. 40 owned by UA and 20 Mesa owns as well as 20 on order to replace CRJ 700s they fly for UA. If that still happens

Everyone talks big until they’re facing the reality of standing in the unemployment line.

I was simply stating the view on scope shared by the pilots at United, including the thousands facing furlough this fall. Personally, I’ve been furloughed, companies have tanked, and I very well may get furloughed again. I’d still rather take a furlough notice than give up scope.

For expectation management, this is the philosophical outlook for pretty much all junior-ish legacy pilots. Some noob mil guys may not get it yet, but they aren't stupid and are learning fast from their civilian peers who have the perspective.

Scope relief will only happen in Ch.11.

True, true.

The 550 fleet is slated to be 74.

Secondly, the cabin width is not the same. The fuselage diameter is the same on the outside, but Bombardier lowered the floor of the CRJ7’s/9 to creat additional shoulder room inside. So measuring off the same points on the seats, the cabin width is actually wider.

Mainline pilots would spit out their coffee if they knew what regional FOs make. No way they fly at those rates.