hate to burst your bubble, but c5 is done. If United was interested in c5, they would have asked for concessions from you also. Why not try to get whoever is left, as low as possible? Make it a cage match between both carriers, lowest bidder “wins.”

What reason is there to think that any government official had anything to do with C5 flying at Newark?

It seems pretty straightforward to me. UA says to Expressjet management: C5 can do for $5 what you do for $7. Do it for $5 or we will cut your contract.

I'm sure that the size of the network EV has is appealing but there's no reason a mixture of OO/C5/ZW couldn't cover it. The same could be said of any of us really...

but the name of the game now is supposedly cost cutting, correct? Why not try to get c5 down to $4 or $3. United is bleeding cash, there is no way Kirby would pass over an opportunity to bend over a pilot group.

Because the Port Authority of NJ and NY has to do what the governors of NY and NJ tell them to do.
If they say let United increase EWR flying they will. If they then say no we are worried about people bringing CoVID to EWR they will go back on what they say.

absolutely ZERO, some C5 guy is over on their forum peddling conspiracy theories and pretending he is a “somebody” who knew “someone” who was “important”- lol it’s a joke.

No one on here knows what will happen in the end, and the only thing that is factual at this point is C5 is the only carrier that has lost flying in their only base of operation going into August. Who knows what that means, but no doubt we will find out eventually, at first glance I wouldn’t say it’s good for C5 though.

And why is there any reason to think the Port Authority did anything to C5?

Good point, good point. They may, on the other hand is C5 knows they have the cheaper product, it might be easier for them to hold the line on their current cost. If C5 knows EV can't come down to $5, why budge.

C5 lost flying in IAD due to the fact they were supposed to pick up 3,000 block hours in EWR before the NY/NJ goverment created mass travel bans. Which would of been enough to keep everyone in jobs come October 1st. When the EWR flying went away we didn't get our 500ish hours back from ZW. I wouldn't be so quick to speak of what you don't know.

Republic pulling out of IAH is telling

I have zero skin in the game, don’t work for either. Just trying to point out an alternative to your narrative.

Bullllllllshi**********T LoL

Has the union or management said that? Because that sounds way out of proportion to United's current strategy to me. Not to mention, C5 has plenty of capacity, there isn't necessarily a reason to reduce the flying in IAD because of an increase in EWR. Not while flying is this low anyway.

I'm the guy who said that and that statement came directly from a union official (though I won't say who since I don't want to get him in any trouble). It is no conspiracy theory. This guy sees the data file UAL gives our company and works with other union members to build our schedules every month so he would know the truth. I've also flown with the guy and, like me, he is not someone who gets his jollies running around telling lies.

They originally gave C5 8000 block in EWR for August and gave a couple hundred hours of our flying in IAD to AW that made sense given their typical route structure. Then at the last minute Cuomo and Murphy got together and over-reacted to the recent spike in cases in the south and declared "no turn up in EWR". The port authority of NY and NJ (note those states are in the name of the organization) pulled the plug and UAL was forced to delay reopening of EWR. At this point it was too late to change what they gave AW so C5 got what it had in July minus about 200 hours, so we now sit at 2500 hrs for August. This is consistent with a couple captains I know who barely had a line in July losing their lines for August.

Care to make any more uninformed statements?

Doesn’t get more uninformed than a secondhand rumor being paraded around as fact. Even from a union rep; I’ve personally seen many of those never come to pass. I’ll believe it when it’s in a union email, press release, or a company announcement.

I get it. Everyone is hurting and it’s a lot more palatable to blame Cuomo than a force of nature or big picture economics.

I just really want an answer to the question, how do you know you had 8000 hours? That's a huge increase and it's odd that it's not been brought up til yesterday.

I know because a guy I trust said he saw that in the original (now pulled) data file straight from UAL. Is it really that hard to believe?

Why do you guys care anyway? It's not exactly news that pre-covid C5 was taking over flying in EWR from you guys while you were moving out to ORD. It makes perfect sense to me that UAL was expecting C5 to do a bulk of the E145 lift out of EWR during the recovery. And for the record, 8000 block is less than 70% of the flying we were doing this time last year so it's not exactly a gift. Even with that many hours we'd have to furlough some people come October 1.

Everything you say is a absurd, not to mention you didn't get the Fake block hours you're talking about in the end so it's irrelevant. Secondly, the "travel ban" /quarantine requirement was implemented on June 24th for EWR. We have been given block hours far exceeding the IAD block hours in question only days in advance and you want to believe a fairytale that United couldn't give you the flying back in IAD with almost 5 weeks of lead time? haha this is getting more ridiculous by the minute.

It is a little hard to believe honestly yes. Also, 70% is a big gift when most of us, even OO, are doing well below 50% of the 50 seat flying we did last year. Like, even if you do have a friend who did that, they pulled the wrong file for you bc that makes no sense at all.

It's official. ExpressJet is done

"ExpressJetters,

As you may be aware, United made a strategic decision to retain only one ERJ145 United Express operator for 2021 and beyond. Unfortunately, we have just been told that United intends to go forward with CommutAir as its sole operator of the ERJ145 in 2021.

SK

"

Pleasure flying with along side some great people and for green pastures on the other side of this.

No kidding...I'm really sorry to hear this :/

I've been gone from Xjet since last year and am looking at my own possible furlough. But I will say thank you to all the pilots and FAs who made coming to work not feel like work. A truly excellent training program, operation, and group of people.

I don't know where you are getting the 5 week lead time number. Ever since covid we have been running on an atypical bidding schedule, with significantly reduced bidding times. When this first hit the fan the union had a grand total of three days to come up with an MOU and build our schedules. Even our CEO said in a town meeting he was impressed with how helpful and cooperative the union was throughout the hastily completed process. I don't doubt that we got the data file, started to build schedules on it, and then had it pulled inside of a few days. Again, is this really so difficult to believe?

Listen, I only responded to the thread because someone was calling me out for lying and I wanted to set the record straight over here. But like the other poster said, it's all water under the bridge at this point since we didn't get the hours.

Well, I enjoyed my time at XJT while it lasted....

This was the place to be in the mid 2000’s. Sorry to any of y’all that are without a job soon. This too will pass eventually.


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I am so sorry for you guys!!!! 😢

Well like I’ve been saying all along, we’re toast. Bon voyage. It’s been fun! Had a good run.

Can anyone explain why APC has two different FO pay scales for CommutAir? The “ALL” scale shows $54 year 2 pay, but the “E145” scale shows $39 year 2 pay.

Hopefully we all get some sort of preferential interview.


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It’s so devastating to hear this. I hope the best for all you guys. I always thought your own-branded flying and livery back in 2007 was so *****in’.

There is an LOA that gave Dash Captain pay to second year FOs to encourage retention. It expires at the end of the month. The 39 will be the rate going forward.


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Well it turns out he wasn't making stuff up

Wow. It’s over.

I am one of the new ones to XJT but I never regretted coming on over. Whereas other places I interviewed laughed at my B1900 time, XJT was great as many of the guys had B1900 experience back in the day.

Nuts. Soft landings everyone. Good luck out there.

I am sorry, I have no words. This sucks all around, and no one should feel good about it either way.

Shalom

broken clock

Sorry to hear the news.
Many friends over in XJT over the years.
Will be sad to see you go, Acey.

Hope you all land on your feet. XJT has always been an admirable group of people.

Sorry to hear this. Great group at Acey. Tailwinds.

XJT 145 alum. 2012-2015

hate this. Acey was my first foray into the airline world. Had some truly great and unforgettable times. Here’s hoping you guys get sucked up quickly or can secure some preference. Thousands of pilots now on the street. Word is that us NK guys will be soon as well.