Originally Posted by flightlessbirds

That is a OO problem not a -200 problem in most cases. Witness how often a ZW -200 is weight restricted for an ACM.

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon

Gotta play smart. I’ve never left someone behind, and never “fudged” anything. Might mean a different alternate and more ballast, but it can be done.

Originally Posted by idlethrust

Different Alternate ?Now you’re getting dispatch involved . Wrong decision when you’re playing with numbers

Originally Posted by flightlessbirds

That is a OO problem not a -200 problem in most cases. Witness how often a ZW -200 is weight restricted for an ACM.

Originally Posted by Claxstarr

This is why I said the other post was dumb.
The statements over simplified for anyone that started post 2013.

INC tried to make the XJT side more profitable.
The proposed way to do it was to have the XJT guys vote out their union which would allow a merge of the seniority lists by DOH.

The reasoning was because,
1) by the XJT contracts, the XJT pilots were too expensive for the aircraft that were being flown
2)you can’t merge a union and non-union seniority list

Let’s not forget that CC was not the CEO when the buy happened. He knew it wouldn’t work financially for either company, but when he took over it was his job make things happen.

Of course that was voted down bc there was no way XJT was going to vote out a union and take a $10/hr pay cut just to get a seniority list merge.

SO after all of that fell through and COVID happened,
UA bought XJT at their( still) high pay rates and let subohd drive them into the ground after promised contract negotiations.
That 10k per year that the senior CA’s made from 2013-2020 (70k over 7 years) will be lost in 7-8 months of not being employed now that UA shut XJT down.

It’s a huge bummer. I understand and empathize with both sides of that table.
Maybe hindsight was 20/20?
Would the XJT guys have been better off in 2020 being merged with OO which would have created a 7000 pilot “super regional”?
I don’t know, maybe, maybe not.

What we do know now is that any of these guys will be starting over at the bottom of the list at commutair, if they even open hiring up.

We also know that getting ****ed off at other pilots isn’t going to solve a damn thing.
The whole situation blows.
I wish everyone could just give it a rest.

Originally Posted by Fdelanore

like I said before , the only reason you guys survived this long is because of the “Utah Mafia” so perhaps be thankful you actually had a job, because if it wasn’t for the Utah Mafia, you’d been belly up 10 years ago.

Lets discuss your second point. One could argue that express jet pilots have a reputation of being extremely whiney and having this idea that everything should be given to them. They also seem to blame everyone else for their trouble. As this page has proven
Obviously not all xjet pilots are like this, but this page seems to bring out the worse of them.

Originally Posted by Redheadtexas

more fairly tales. Continental wanted a new cpa after 5 years of a 10 year deal. Xjt said no.
Cal colluded with inc. to take-over xjt and pays inc $ 6 million for the effort. 3 years later with Inc's help, xjt is slowly losing money and our new ceo and bod finally give in and sell. The entire thing was a setup by cal and inc.
If inc didn't collude with cal to attempt the takeover, xjt would have remained profitable.

Originally Posted by Southern Fried

Thank you Red. These noobs who don't know history eventually learn what happened. If he/she would do a little more reading/searching they would find the numerous posts I've made, as wells as the posts of others on this topic. What happened to XJT was not the pilots fault, nor that of their excellent contract (for a regional). Blame lies squarely with the Skywest execs in charge at the time (Jerry Atkin, etc.). They created the money losing cpa that XJT got stuck with after their failed attempt to buy us in 2008 (at which point they went home with their 6 million dollar consolation prize from CAL). OK, now I'm tired of explaining this. New guys just don't care how we got here. Their culture won't let them see the truth.

Originally Posted by Southern Fried

Thank you Red. These noobs who don't know history eventually learn what happened. If he/she would do a little more reading/searching they would find the numerous posts I've made, as wells as the posts of others on this topic. What happened to XJT was not the pilots fault, nor that of their excellent contract (for a regional). Blame lies squarely with the Skywest execs in charge at the time (Jerry Atkin, etc.). They created the money losing cpa that XJT got stuck with after their failed attempt to buy us in 2008 (at which point they went home with their 6 million dollar consolation prize from CAL). OK, now I'm tired of explaining this. New guys just don't care how we got here. Their culture won't let them see the truth.