ExpressJet Flies West
09-09-2020 | 07:38 AM
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This is (mostly) correct for what happened pre-buyout! My post was on post-buyout which is an important distinction.
It takes 15 seconds to google what happened between continental/XJT/OO in 2008.
That XJT contract was excellent.... for XJT.
Continental was unhappy with the XJT contract and was going to remove 51 XJT planes from operation.
Enter the 2008 SkyWest deal.
SkyWest would get the contract to fly continental routes IF, and only if, they bought XJT.
They bid $3.50/share when the valuation was $2.00/share at the time, which XJT turned down.
Eventually after XJT bleeds for long enough, SkyWest succeeded in buying XJT.
It’s basically the same story in 2010..
XJT costs are more expensive than their competitor (SkyWest) and then Continental in 2008/2010 wants to take flying away.
XJT costs are more expensive than their competitor (CommutAir) and then United 2020 takes all their flying away.
Also, how did OO force a money losing contract at
XJT in 2008?
I would imagine ALPA would have shut down a contract negotiated by the non-union devils at OO.....
Or maybe that was actually Continental’s fault?
/sarcasm.
It takes 15 seconds to google what happened between continental/XJT/OO in 2008.
That XJT contract was excellent.... for XJT.
Continental was unhappy with the XJT contract and was going to remove 51 XJT planes from operation.
Enter the 2008 SkyWest deal.
SkyWest would get the contract to fly continental routes IF, and only if, they bought XJT.
They bid $3.50/share when the valuation was $2.00/share at the time, which XJT turned down.
Eventually after XJT bleeds for long enough, SkyWest succeeded in buying XJT.
It’s basically the same story in 2010..
XJT costs are more expensive than their competitor (SkyWest) and then Continental in 2008/2010 wants to take flying away.
XJT costs are more expensive than their competitor (CommutAir) and then United 2020 takes all their flying away.
Also, how did OO force a money losing contract at
XJT in 2008?
I would imagine ALPA would have shut down a contract negotiated by the non-union devils at OO.....
Or maybe that was actually Continental’s fault?
/sarcasm.
09-09-2020 | 07:45 AM
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Not to mention the terrible CPAs eXJT signed when they were there own company haunted OO for a decade as after inc spent money to buy eXJT they had to float them money every quarter to stay alive to fulfill the CPA. The salt in the wound to inc was after the money losing contracts were up for renewal United balked at the price tag to make eXJT a viable carrier. United owned the planes and sent them to TSA and awarded C5 a second life as a jet operator.
Inc regrets buying eXJT more than eXJT hates inc because they failed at due diligence.
...if we are talking history
Inc regrets buying eXJT more than eXJT hates inc because they failed at due diligence.
...if we are talking history
09-09-2020 | 07:53 AM
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OO didn't do there “due diligence”. And bid CPA rates as if OO was flying it. Only to realize that they couldn’t get XJT cost down to what OO thought they could.. the guy in charge was let go for the mistake, and they were never able to recover the loss... They started to shed the operation down to just the UA side. But still couldn't make it work..
09-09-2020 | 08:20 AM
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ExpressJet Flies West
Just to add, OO did the deal with the understanding that it would be the SOLE Continental express carrier after the deal.
Little did we know, Continental and UA were already in talks and by the time the 2010 deal was done, Continental was a thing of the past.... and so was OO being the sole operator.
Also, is XJT is mad at anyone, it should be Mesa.
In 2016 Mesa came to IAH and undercut everyone.
That took XJT from 200 to 100 jets, 50% loss.
That also to OO from 100+ lines to 20 lines, an 80% loss,
That really started the XJT decline in my opinion.
Little did we know, Continental and UA were already in talks and by the time the 2010 deal was done, Continental was a thing of the past.... and so was OO being the sole operator.
Also, is XJT is mad at anyone, it should be Mesa.
In 2016 Mesa came to IAH and undercut everyone.
That took XJT from 200 to 100 jets, 50% loss.
That also to OO from 100+ lines to 20 lines, an 80% loss,
That really started the XJT decline in my opinion.
09-09-2020 | 04:53 PM
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I was about to say this, Only time I have seen it is out of COS on a summer day. I’m sure there are other times when runway conditions, DA or weather limit the actual Takeoff weight but not an actual weight and BALANCE issue. At Skywest they always seem to have a balance issue. It’s almost like they are too lazy to collect more bags to put in the back.
09-09-2020 | 05:35 PM
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I was about to say this, Only time I have seen it is out of COS on a summer day. I’m sure there are other times when runway conditions, DA or weather limit the actual Takeoff weight but not an actual weight and BALANCE issue. At Skywest they always seem to have a balance issue. It’s almost like they are too lazy to collect more bags to put in the back.
09-09-2020 | 05:40 PM
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I was about to say this, Only time I have seen it is out of COS on a summer day. I’m sure there are other times when runway conditions, DA or weather limit the actual Takeoff weight but not an actual weight and BALANCE issue. At Skywest they always seem to have a balance issue. It’s almost like they are too lazy to collect more bags to put in the back.
09-09-2020 | 05:52 PM
#378
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I was about to say this, Only time I have seen it is out of COS on a summer day. I’m sure there are other times when runway conditions, DA or weather limit the actual Takeoff weight but not an actual weight and BALANCE issue. At Skywest they always seem to have a balance issue. It’s almost like they are too lazy to collect more bags to put in the back.
09-09-2020 | 06:10 PM
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Rising terrain if they’re departing to the south. I think the runway also has a not insignificant uphill slope going that direction as well. Winds often too strong to takeoff the other direction with a tailwind.
09-09-2020 | 06:38 PM
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I was about to say this, Only time I have seen it is out of COS on a summer day. I’m sure there are other times when runway conditions, DA or weather limit the actual Takeoff weight but not an actual weight and BALANCE issue. At Skywest they always seem to have a balance issue. It’s almost like they are too lazy to collect more bags to put in the back.
Only had to say no a few times, although one time it was to an LCA doing a line check. Never left anyone behind if we didn’t have an alternate
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